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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 85469" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Yeah Scratch, I remember Weldon and Lamar. Considering what we've been through in 728 over the last many, many years since them I almost wish we had em' back! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> </p><p> </p><p>As for Zell being appointed to take Coverdell's spot, it sure didn't set well at first but Zell sure proved the maverick he was. I jumped for joy when he proposed to eliminate the 17th amendment to the Constitution and returned to Senators being selected by the State legislatures. True checks and balances! My wife and I got a chance to talk with Zell about that and he was realistic enough to know it wasn't going to happen but having been Governor of Georgia and been forced to comply with unfunded Federal mandates and in what was in effect the Federal gov't passing down the heat to the States along with in many cases the tax increases as well while the Washington politicos sat safe with the "We aren't raising your taxes!" response. Zell understood this whole process and wanted to throw it to the 4 winds. </p><p> </p><p>I also liked the fact that Zell showed us what it use to be like when both parties had amongst it's ranks both conservatives and liberals and thus we had more division of thought and in effect a checks and balance within a checks and balance. When the democrats had folks like a staunch conservative like a Larry McDonald or a real hawk like Henry "Scoop" Jackson. Oh well, life in America I guess. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/wink.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-shortname=":wink:" /> Cry and moan about Clinton all you want but the true is with him in the White House and the republicans controlling the Congress by a thread, that divided gov't sure had life in America not doing to bad. It wasn't perfect mind you and some things got put aside for another day that we now must face but things were pretty good for those 6 or so years. That division IMO kept both political sides a little more honest and pointed in their needed directions.</p><p> </p><p>Dboy,</p><p>Your post is why I think a real common sense democrat could wipe the map into the White House in 2008'. You brought up a number of good issues that have many people concerned and some issues like healthcare cost and pension concerns as well. People every day ask themselves what is the deal with spending all this money on building a country in Iraq when the struggles at home appear to be growing and growing. </p><p> </p><p>My postition is very solid in that I don't believe the federal gov't has any constitutional authority to be doing many of the things they are currently involved in on the domestic front as well as the international front and notice I said "FEDERAL GOV'T" only. Now that said I also believe what we now have can't and is not going anyplace for the time being so I do believe what you do have should be run not only at the highest efficency both costs effective wise and services provided wise. Make it the best it can be so that we see people being helped, problems solved and in fact where people become able to move away from not only the problem but having to rely on the public solution as well. What better statement to have than to say "we are eliminating this gov't program because nobody no longer uses it!" </p><p> </p><p>Sometimes the only way to get these clowns to listen and do the right thing is to say, "we really don't need this as we could use the alternative of such and such." It's like a huge volume customer of UPS who has a shipping problem and calls Corp. to say, "we have a problem with you <span style="color: red"><u>"fill in the blank"</u> </span><span style="color: black">so we're considering going to FedEx, or DHL, etc. and leaving you for good" Now in many cases, because there is an alternative solution, this would force UPS to look at the situation and address the problems if founded. In our case with gov't, we have no ability to choose for the most part and they know it so they sit in Washington doing as they wish and we for better or worse have to suffer the results of their actions. </span></p><p> </p><p>Until we show them that we would really consider alternatives then tell me what is their incentive to do anything any different than they already do. Who are the bigger idiots here?</p><p> </p><p>The old saying is true, "we get the gov't we deserve!"</p><p> </p><p>BTW Dboy, nicely expressed what you said.</p><p> </p><p>Tie, Scratch, Dboy, Enjoy the weekend. I'm on vacation next week so I'll think about you 3 uh well at least 2 of you slaving for the big Brown Machine. Just remembered Dboy, you got the good life. <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/thumbup1.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":thumbup1:" title="Thumbup1 :thumbup1:" data-shortname=":thumbup1:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 85469, member: 2189"] Yeah Scratch, I remember Weldon and Lamar. Considering what we've been through in 728 over the last many, many years since them I almost wish we had em' back! :lol: As for Zell being appointed to take Coverdell's spot, it sure didn't set well at first but Zell sure proved the maverick he was. I jumped for joy when he proposed to eliminate the 17th amendment to the Constitution and returned to Senators being selected by the State legislatures. True checks and balances! My wife and I got a chance to talk with Zell about that and he was realistic enough to know it wasn't going to happen but having been Governor of Georgia and been forced to comply with unfunded Federal mandates and in what was in effect the Federal gov't passing down the heat to the States along with in many cases the tax increases as well while the Washington politicos sat safe with the "We aren't raising your taxes!" response. Zell understood this whole process and wanted to throw it to the 4 winds. I also liked the fact that Zell showed us what it use to be like when both parties had amongst it's ranks both conservatives and liberals and thus we had more division of thought and in effect a checks and balance within a checks and balance. When the democrats had folks like a staunch conservative like a Larry McDonald or a real hawk like Henry "Scoop" Jackson. Oh well, life in America I guess. :wink: Cry and moan about Clinton all you want but the true is with him in the White House and the republicans controlling the Congress by a thread, that divided gov't sure had life in America not doing to bad. It wasn't perfect mind you and some things got put aside for another day that we now must face but things were pretty good for those 6 or so years. That division IMO kept both political sides a little more honest and pointed in their needed directions. Dboy, Your post is why I think a real common sense democrat could wipe the map into the White House in 2008'. You brought up a number of good issues that have many people concerned and some issues like healthcare cost and pension concerns as well. People every day ask themselves what is the deal with spending all this money on building a country in Iraq when the struggles at home appear to be growing and growing. My postition is very solid in that I don't believe the federal gov't has any constitutional authority to be doing many of the things they are currently involved in on the domestic front as well as the international front and notice I said "FEDERAL GOV'T" only. Now that said I also believe what we now have can't and is not going anyplace for the time being so I do believe what you do have should be run not only at the highest efficency both costs effective wise and services provided wise. Make it the best it can be so that we see people being helped, problems solved and in fact where people become able to move away from not only the problem but having to rely on the public solution as well. What better statement to have than to say "we are eliminating this gov't program because nobody no longer uses it!" Sometimes the only way to get these clowns to listen and do the right thing is to say, "we really don't need this as we could use the alternative of such and such." It's like a huge volume customer of UPS who has a shipping problem and calls Corp. to say, "we have a problem with you [COLOR=red][U]"fill in the blank"[/U] [/COLOR][COLOR=black]so we're considering going to FedEx, or DHL, etc. and leaving you for good" Now in many cases, because there is an alternative solution, this would force UPS to look at the situation and address the problems if founded. In our case with gov't, we have no ability to choose for the most part and they know it so they sit in Washington doing as they wish and we for better or worse have to suffer the results of their actions. [/COLOR] Until we show them that we would really consider alternatives then tell me what is their incentive to do anything any different than they already do. Who are the bigger idiots here? The old saying is true, "we get the gov't we deserve!" BTW Dboy, nicely expressed what you said. Tie, Scratch, Dboy, Enjoy the weekend. I'm on vacation next week so I'll think about you 3 uh well at least 2 of you slaving for the big Brown Machine. Just remembered Dboy, you got the good life. :thumbup1: [/QUOTE]
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