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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 85683" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Selling the soul IMO is likely the more correct answer. Look at what it takes to get elected to especially a federal level office and getting $10 donations from average folk ain't gonna get it. In fact, this thing as I see it has become a vicous cycle where private concerns, business interests, special interest, lobbyists come to Washington (K Street, they have their own geographic ID now)to push and push for more and more to become federalized and taken away from State and or local control. Even worse are the unfunded federal mandates where federal law tells the local folks to do this and that and the local jurisdictions have to raise local taxes to pay for it. In many cases, you find it was a cut finger somewhere else that went unchecked and some special interest grabbed it to go national to make a buck. It would be like for example have earthquake building codes in the west that add onto the cost of a home being seen by national builders as a means of driving in more profits from them if imposed nationwide via the US gov't when in many parts of the country these standards and this expense really aren't justified at all. This might be one example of how this crap works and this is an example. To my knowledge this specifically hasn't taken place but other nonsense like it has and/or very well could. The point is only centralization of power allows for a quick and easy mechanism like this to be thrusted on the nation as a whole so obviously the powerbrokers and power manipulators want and thrive in this type of environment. Diseases need the right conditions to harm and kill.</p><p> </p><p>Why? With 50 (States) or more (1000's of local) jurisdictions to contend with, the cost to special interests, business and other concerns to steer gov't in a specific legislative direction is very costly and in many cases impossible. Moving all aspects to a central control (federal level) consolidates not only the power and point of focus but is more cost and energy efficent for those who lobby the Congress. In other words, using the Abramoff model, why divide gov't and have to bribe 1000's of politicians when you can centralize and only bride a few and for a lot less money, time and effort. </p><p> </p><p>Our founding fathers understood that a divided, fragmented and limited gov't was one that would be hard to subvert for ulterior motives. When our country first started, it's very limited federal level had little impact but over the years it did grow and grow and as it did special interests including very powerful interests began to have more and more impact. As this influence grew so did the size and scope of gov't because the intrests knew in order to exert their will they needed something that only gov't by law had the authority to do and that was to exert force. Gov't is the only authority that can pass a law and then force you by threat or action to specifically perform according to that law. If you have a specific will you want to exert and force the people to submit to, then gov't is in reality your only mechanism to do so. So in my view you can only have one if you have the other. The medium or culture dish is gov't and the disease is special interests, ulterior motives or will of others that you might on your own not follow to do whether that will is good or bad. </p><p> </p><p>I would hope this response would go a long way in helping you or anyone else understand my political views and my position for very little federal level gov't. IMO the best place for a gov't that has the greatest day to day impact directly on the people is the local gov't. Close at hand allows the people to watch and control it and if it gets out of hand I'd rather have a situation where you have a bad cut on a finger rather than terminal cancer of the brain. The cut finger although bad for the finger is not typically terminal to the entire body whereas cancer on the brain typically kills the entire body. However, a small cut in an isolated part of the body left untreated and unchecked, it spreads to kill the entire body over time. </p><p> </p><p>You know, like Hollywood has done to the rest of America!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/lol.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Lol :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/tongue_smilie.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":tongue_sm" title="Tongue Smilie :tongue_sm" data-shortname=":tongue_sm" /> </p><p> </p><p>Something to think about in all of this is the following: </p><p>One can rightly argue that there are certain areas where a larger gov't body can be more effective with those areas however consider this for a moment. If the size and scope of gov't were the same today as it was during George Washington's presidency, how important in our daily lives would GW Bush, Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, John Kerry, Al Gore, etc. really be in the big scheme of things? If you are thinking of throwing in 9/11 or Iraq, don't! If you really research the issues, persons and histories of the Middle East you'd very quickly conclude that a 1787' US gov't today would have never seen a 9/11 attack nor would a Saddam ever gotten as powerful if in power at all because there would be no political games having been played in the Mid-East to drag us into that situation to begin with. </p><p> </p><p>However, we might not also be the global facist/capitalist empire dominating the economic scene either. <span style="color: red">(BTW: when you see facist from me don't fall for the boogey man liberal buzz word some like to throw out because I use it more in it's truest definition with no suggestion of relating Bush or US gov't to Hitlerian abuses)</span> To understand my economic/global position point, that one you'll just have to learn what the thinking was behind Art. 1 Sec. 10 of the US Constituiton when the founders addressed that one. There are 14 words within this section that if adhered to would make it impossible for the economic wheels to turn that would <span style="color: black">place</span> us in positions to be involved with moving and manipulating global economics and thus we would not be in position to manipulate the politics to protect that economic position. Osama and Company therefore would be no more likely to attack us than he would a penguin colony in interior Antartica in the middle of it's winter grip!</p><p> </p><p>JMO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 85683, member: 2189"] Selling the soul IMO is likely the more correct answer. Look at what it takes to get elected to especially a federal level office and getting $10 donations from average folk ain't gonna get it. In fact, this thing as I see it has become a vicous cycle where private concerns, business interests, special interest, lobbyists come to Washington (K Street, they have their own geographic ID now)to push and push for more and more to become federalized and taken away from State and or local control. Even worse are the unfunded federal mandates where federal law tells the local folks to do this and that and the local jurisdictions have to raise local taxes to pay for it. In many cases, you find it was a cut finger somewhere else that went unchecked and some special interest grabbed it to go national to make a buck. It would be like for example have earthquake building codes in the west that add onto the cost of a home being seen by national builders as a means of driving in more profits from them if imposed nationwide via the US gov't when in many parts of the country these standards and this expense really aren't justified at all. This might be one example of how this crap works and this is an example. To my knowledge this specifically hasn't taken place but other nonsense like it has and/or very well could. The point is only centralization of power allows for a quick and easy mechanism like this to be thrusted on the nation as a whole so obviously the powerbrokers and power manipulators want and thrive in this type of environment. Diseases need the right conditions to harm and kill. Why? With 50 (States) or more (1000's of local) jurisdictions to contend with, the cost to special interests, business and other concerns to steer gov't in a specific legislative direction is very costly and in many cases impossible. Moving all aspects to a central control (federal level) consolidates not only the power and point of focus but is more cost and energy efficent for those who lobby the Congress. In other words, using the Abramoff model, why divide gov't and have to bribe 1000's of politicians when you can centralize and only bride a few and for a lot less money, time and effort. Our founding fathers understood that a divided, fragmented and limited gov't was one that would be hard to subvert for ulterior motives. When our country first started, it's very limited federal level had little impact but over the years it did grow and grow and as it did special interests including very powerful interests began to have more and more impact. As this influence grew so did the size and scope of gov't because the intrests knew in order to exert their will they needed something that only gov't by law had the authority to do and that was to exert force. Gov't is the only authority that can pass a law and then force you by threat or action to specifically perform according to that law. If you have a specific will you want to exert and force the people to submit to, then gov't is in reality your only mechanism to do so. So in my view you can only have one if you have the other. The medium or culture dish is gov't and the disease is special interests, ulterior motives or will of others that you might on your own not follow to do whether that will is good or bad. I would hope this response would go a long way in helping you or anyone else understand my political views and my position for very little federal level gov't. IMO the best place for a gov't that has the greatest day to day impact directly on the people is the local gov't. Close at hand allows the people to watch and control it and if it gets out of hand I'd rather have a situation where you have a bad cut on a finger rather than terminal cancer of the brain. The cut finger although bad for the finger is not typically terminal to the entire body whereas cancer on the brain typically kills the entire body. However, a small cut in an isolated part of the body left untreated and unchecked, it spreads to kill the entire body over time. You know, like Hollywood has done to the rest of America! :lol: :tongue_sm Something to think about in all of this is the following: One can rightly argue that there are certain areas where a larger gov't body can be more effective with those areas however consider this for a moment. If the size and scope of gov't were the same today as it was during George Washington's presidency, how important in our daily lives would GW Bush, Bill Clinton, Dick Cheney, John Kerry, Al Gore, etc. really be in the big scheme of things? If you are thinking of throwing in 9/11 or Iraq, don't! If you really research the issues, persons and histories of the Middle East you'd very quickly conclude that a 1787' US gov't today would have never seen a 9/11 attack nor would a Saddam ever gotten as powerful if in power at all because there would be no political games having been played in the Mid-East to drag us into that situation to begin with. However, we might not also be the global facist/capitalist empire dominating the economic scene either. [COLOR=red](BTW: when you see facist from me don't fall for the boogey man liberal buzz word some like to throw out because I use it more in it's truest definition with no suggestion of relating Bush or US gov't to Hitlerian abuses)[/COLOR] To understand my economic/global position point, that one you'll just have to learn what the thinking was behind Art. 1 Sec. 10 of the US Constituiton when the founders addressed that one. There are 14 words within this section that if adhered to would make it impossible for the economic wheels to turn that would [COLOR=black]place[/COLOR] us in positions to be involved with moving and manipulating global economics and thus we would not be in position to manipulate the politics to protect that economic position. Osama and Company therefore would be no more likely to attack us than he would a penguin colony in interior Antartica in the middle of it's winter grip! JMO [/QUOTE]
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