The TA Vote and the US 2012 Presidential Vote

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by wgf46, Jun 7, 2013.

  1. wgf46

    wgf46 Member

    The American People had the opportunity to Vote No for Incumbent Obama and Yes for the lesser or two evils, Governor Romney. The majority voted Yes for Incumbent Obama without knowing all the facts, we see now where that's taking us. Make sure you know all the details in the TA between UPS and the Teamsters, it's not as grand as its being made out to be. Vote NO, let's get what we deserve of the pie, at least take it to Last, Best. and Final Offer. No greed. Just Fair.
     
  2. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    And you're writing this despite ...

    (a) The Republicans are upset with Obama's positive relationship with unions. E.g. labor-friendly-appointments to the NLRB, letting organizations like the TSA unionize, etc. Republicans hate unions, you do know that, right?

    (b) Romeny's judicial & arbitrator appointments would've been extreme right-leaning. E.g. opposed to unions.

    (c) Mitt Romney said & supported "let Detroit go bankrupt" -- a reference to letting GM & Ford undergo a traditional bankruptcy proceeding in which union contracts would be wiped out; Chrysler would've likely liquidated. While the automakers had their problems, and ridiculous union contracts, the freezing of the credit markets is ultimately what caused them to collapse. Republicans supported bailing out the white-collar guys at the banks who made billions raping our economy, though.

    (d) The Teamsters just negotiated a contract in which they report by 2018, the average FT UPSer will earn $92,000 with no-cost health & welfare benefits. For menial work. With similar jobs paying $30-$40K without benefits. MIT M.B.A.s living in Boston barely earn that kind of compensation. And you believe that Romney would've earned your more? Seriously? Are people really that dumb?
     
  3. wgf46

    wgf46 Member

    Benghazi ... $1.5 Billion to the Muslim Brotherhood !!! GM should have bankrupted and restructured, NO BAILOUT. Even Romney isn't big enough to bring down the Teamsters Union and he knows it.
     
  4. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    The Teamsters will do themselves in !!
     
  5. Upsmule

    Upsmule Well-Known Member

    This opening post assumes there was no zero zilch voter fraud. Given the current climate in DC I find that preposterous.
     
  6. Upsmule

    Upsmule Well-Known Member

    Just as preposterous in 08 as well, hindsight being 20/20.
     
  7. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    Benghazi, really? Is that all you got? "TODAY ON FOX NEWS: A building in Philadelphia collapses. Dozens possibly dead. But first: our never ending coverage of Benghazi continues in a piece titled 'Much ado about Nothing.'"
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    The freezing of the credit markets directly lead to the immediate problems within the auto industry. During the height of the financial crisis, I attempted to lease a vehicle but with a 732 credit rating, I was turned down - (!). We bailed out the white collar workers who froze the credit markets -- you know, the ones who earned billions raping our economy -- but we don't lend a hand to the blue collar workers living paycheck-paycheck, suffering from their consequences? You really believe that? So if UPS suffers from a national disaster, you think a bankruptcy -- in which your wage would be slashed by more than half -- is the best solution?

    I'm always humored by menial, unionized workers earning $32+/hour but believing they'd be earning more by electing those who feel they should be earning less.
     
  8. superballs63

    superballs63 Well-Known Troll Troll

    4 Dead Americans including a Diplomat is nothing to you?

    Wow, inside the mind (lack there of) of a liberal
     
  9. 728ups

    728ups offending people on the internet since 1995


    Just out of curiosity,where was the Republican Outrage over Bush's Folly? 5,000 Us dead in Iraq for NOTHING

    ok you will probably dismiss this since it was nt an Embassy,so where was the Republican Outrage
    In 2002 when the US Consulate in the Karachi, Pakistan, was attacked and 10 were killed?
    Or in 2004 when the US embassy in Uzbekistan was attacked and two were killed and another nine injured?
    How about in 2004, when the US Consulate in Saudi Arabia was stormed and 8 lost their lives?
    There is more: In 2006, armed men attacked the US Embassy in Syria and one was murdered.
    Then in 2007 a grenade was thrown at the US Embassy in Athens.
    In 2008, the US Embassy in Serbia was set on fire.
    In 2008, bombings in the US Embassy in Yemen killed 10.
    Notice the dates, all before the Obama administration.

    Please, spare us your 'outrage'
     
  10. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member


    In all these examples you mention, did the embassy people ask for help long before the attacks and were they denied ?

    Did the attacks take place with the embassy calling for help with no response from anybody ???
     
  11. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    LOL. 14 people were killed this past April in a plant explosion in Texas. Texas has long bragged about its lack of oversight and the consequences are pretty clear in an "accident" that killed 14 people. Where's the Republican outrage? The story has continually been ignored by conservative-leaning outlets, which cling to Benghazi. Gotta wonder... if Hillary wasn't a front runner for 2016, would they even care?
     
  12. wgf46

    wgf46 Member

    Not everyone at UPS makes $32/HR and UPS is wanting to cut benefits after profiting $4.3 Billion? Why cut ? I can understand concessions if UPS were to be on the verge of being in the Red. They are well in the Black, and why, due to the Men and Women in Brown. Take care us, appreciate us, and we'll make UPS even more profit !
     
  13. Bagels

    Bagels Family Leave Fridays!!!

    Why? Because UPS is in business to maximize its profits. It's not in business to take care of you or your family -- UPS doesn't give a damn about you; you're replaceable. We (Teamsters) already earn a disproportionate amount of cumulative gross income compared to the revenue we bring in vs. other employee groups. UPS is upset that it's paying 100% of our insurance and giving us among the best benefits of any insurance around -- 97% of Americans working for a private employer pay an average of $4300 a year for inferior benefits.

    I'm still amused at the number of people within these forums who believe the Right -- which openly complains about unions and their excessive benefit packages -- is on their side.