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<blockquote data-quote="hypocrisy" data-source="post: 933105" data-attributes="member: 9500"><p>What a complete load of absolute crap you spew. While you see that statement as arrogant, what I'm saying to you is that <strong>I</strong> am the Union, <strong>YOU</strong> are the Union, <strong>WE</strong> are the Union; that the Union is not some separate entity acting on it's own. </p><p></p><p>As a UPS employee I can go on leave to serve the Union. I remain a UPS employee as if I never left. I would be paid by the Union, but my benefits and pension stay the same as if I was there. However, the pay does not nearly compare to what I make as a Feeder Driver so I'm not jumping at the bit to run over and become a BA just yet. But the people that do are sacrificing, putting their own money where their mouth is as you said. A bit clearer now? </p><p></p><p>So as some of the Teamsters Union officers are made up of UPS employees, others are from other companies. So WE are all the Union, the Employees, The Bargaining Unit one and the same. A bit clearer now? </p><p></p><p>I'm glad you brought up Hostess. So Hostess has been on the rocks and needs to negotiate concessions. The Company meets with the Union and asks for concessions. The Union listens to their case and might suggest alternatives. Ultimately, something is negotiated that they bring to their members who <strong>vote</strong> on it up or down. Now if the members, that are the Union, One and the Same decide they don't want to accept this then they don't have to. It's not the Union screwing them and putting them on the street. The members screw themselves because they don't accept reality. </p><p></p><p>So I'm not arrogant at all when I say I am the Union, You are the Union because we all have to accept what happens. If you don't want to be part of the Union, well hey when we walk out I guess you can just walk back in and enjoy that. </p><p></p><p>All the rest of the crap you spewed is a complete load of BS. You live in this fantasy land where if you load 3 trailers a night and your lazy ass coworker can only do 2 you're going to get a bigger chunk of the pie. Not going to happen. Gee, you might think Fedex, that isn't Union, would work that way but they don't. They get $10.50/hr regardless of how much work they do or how long they've been there. Wow, I'm unimpressed. </p><p></p><p>Oh but UPS must treat their management people better, after all they are non-union and can show in all those deforestation reports how productive they are. Well just take your fantasy filled ass over to the Partners section and see where it means, at best, a 1% difference. Again, I'm unimpressed. </p><p></p><p>So you can keep your idealistic fantasy, but I deal in the real world. You have yet to show me one example of a non-Union company coming anywhere near what the Teamsters have negotiated for us at UPS. </p><p></p><p>The reality is you cannot negotiate a better deal for yourself than the Union can do for all of us. I challenge you to go into any non-Union employer and demand $30/hr, a 40 hr guarantee, OT over 8 and after 40, fully paid cadillac health care, job protection and a grievance procedure, 7 weeks paid vacation, paid holidays, paid sick days, a Pension that will pay you handsomely for life and an excellent 401k plan. Oh, and throw in free Uniforms and a cleaning service too. </p><p></p><p>Just be sure to stuff a pillow down your pants for when they throw you out on your ass.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hypocrisy, post: 933105, member: 9500"] What a complete load of absolute crap you spew. While you see that statement as arrogant, what I'm saying to you is that [B]I[/B] am the Union, [B]YOU[/B] are the Union, [B]WE[/B] are the Union; that the Union is not some separate entity acting on it's own. As a UPS employee I can go on leave to serve the Union. I remain a UPS employee as if I never left. I would be paid by the Union, but my benefits and pension stay the same as if I was there. However, the pay does not nearly compare to what I make as a Feeder Driver so I'm not jumping at the bit to run over and become a BA just yet. But the people that do are sacrificing, putting their own money where their mouth is as you said. A bit clearer now? So as some of the Teamsters Union officers are made up of UPS employees, others are from other companies. So WE are all the Union, the Employees, The Bargaining Unit one and the same. A bit clearer now? I'm glad you brought up Hostess. So Hostess has been on the rocks and needs to negotiate concessions. The Company meets with the Union and asks for concessions. The Union listens to their case and might suggest alternatives. Ultimately, something is negotiated that they bring to their members who [B]vote[/B] on it up or down. Now if the members, that are the Union, One and the Same decide they don't want to accept this then they don't have to. It's not the Union screwing them and putting them on the street. The members screw themselves because they don't accept reality. So I'm not arrogant at all when I say I am the Union, You are the Union because we all have to accept what happens. If you don't want to be part of the Union, well hey when we walk out I guess you can just walk back in and enjoy that. All the rest of the crap you spewed is a complete load of BS. You live in this fantasy land where if you load 3 trailers a night and your lazy ass coworker can only do 2 you're going to get a bigger chunk of the pie. Not going to happen. Gee, you might think Fedex, that isn't Union, would work that way but they don't. They get $10.50/hr regardless of how much work they do or how long they've been there. Wow, I'm unimpressed. Oh but UPS must treat their management people better, after all they are non-union and can show in all those deforestation reports how productive they are. Well just take your fantasy filled ass over to the Partners section and see where it means, at best, a 1% difference. Again, I'm unimpressed. So you can keep your idealistic fantasy, but I deal in the real world. You have yet to show me one example of a non-Union company coming anywhere near what the Teamsters have negotiated for us at UPS. The reality is you cannot negotiate a better deal for yourself than the Union can do for all of us. I challenge you to go into any non-Union employer and demand $30/hr, a 40 hr guarantee, OT over 8 and after 40, fully paid cadillac health care, job protection and a grievance procedure, 7 weeks paid vacation, paid holidays, paid sick days, a Pension that will pay you handsomely for life and an excellent 401k plan. Oh, and throw in free Uniforms and a cleaning service too. Just be sure to stuff a pillow down your pants for when they throw you out on your ass. [/QUOTE]
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