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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 934728" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>"meto" (as in "gimme, gimme")</p><p></p><p>Blah, blah, blah. Sorry if you feel insulted by being "outed" for what you are. Again, I didn't force you (or "crowbar") to lie. And I appreciate your terming as "opinion" that which you knew to be a lie; i.e. - "crowbar's" deliberate misquoting. Of course, since you, yourself, chose to go that low road the post before last, guess there's no surprise there. As for your "inferences"...well, you've pretty much demonstrated the value of what you take as "inferred" as well, haven't you? I.e. - you make the "stupid" claim, have it shoved back-up your lying hind-end, and then try like the Devil to counter-balance what you term an "inference" with an out-and-out lie. Again, "whoop-dee-do!"</p><p></p><p>Lastly, I like - and have taken - your final recommendation. And I think that EVERY UPS employee ought to have that same opportunity. Tell me, since we're talking about Indiana, when was the last time an Indiana District UPS employee had the ability to vote "yea" or "nay" on the union? Or, to include those areas of the state that are not in the District, ANY UPS employee in Indiana? 1957? 1959? Ever? Is there *ANY* current Indiana UPS "Teamster" that has EVER had the opportunity to choose to have, or not have, the Teamsters as their "representation"? You claim to be "intelligent", and this seems to be point-on topic. Got an answer? If so, I'd like to hear it. How many UPS are there still working in Indiana who CHOSE via the ballot to become Teamsters? The answer ought to be interesting.</p><p></p><p>Got news for ya', "meto"....in total, you and your kind have not benefited the AVERAGE "Teamster" at all. Fact is, you've cost most of them their jobs. And for many of the ones whose jobs you HAVEN'T cost - say the UPS p/te'rs - you've dramatically limited their wage and benefit opportunities. And since you're so "intelligent" and "honest", you can't for the life of you even make an EFFORT to organize the competition of your major employer - even over the space of close to 40 years! - , and in the process you've hindered the advancement of practically EVERY UPS employee; Teamster and non-Teamster. And, in the off chance you've forgotten, it might be worth pointing out that UPS is about all that's left of the core Teamster transportation industry today.</p><p></p><p>Now, you COULD take a RESPONSIBLE, REASONABLE and HONEST stab at addressing those points...but I think you and I both know you probably won't. You apparently lack the intellectual capacity and integrity to do so. Which, of course, is why you INSIST that members be FORCED to "join" in "membership" with you. And, in case you hadn't noticed, that's the topic of this entire thread; i.e. - "The Truth About Right To Work (for less) In Indiana". Seems like when it comes to "truth", you and yours are found wanting. Given that, it's a big surprise that potential members aren't lining up in droves to sign-on, isn't it? A real "big surprise" indeed!</p><p></p><p>Again, it's not my fault you lack intelligence. Nor is it my fault that you're dishonest. Believe me, I wish it weren't so. And I most certainly had no desire to make an issue of it until you essentially forced me to do so. Then again, maybe that was your goal. Maybe you think those who *YOU* termed "stupid" and those *I* termed "dishonest" are attractive to potential members. Time will tell, I guess. Maybe history ISN'T that determinative.</p><p></p><p>Anyway, good luck with your approach. It's worked so WELL in the past, hasn't it? [grin!]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 934728, member: 16651"] "meto" (as in "gimme, gimme") Blah, blah, blah. Sorry if you feel insulted by being "outed" for what you are. Again, I didn't force you (or "crowbar") to lie. And I appreciate your terming as "opinion" that which you knew to be a lie; i.e. - "crowbar's" deliberate misquoting. Of course, since you, yourself, chose to go that low road the post before last, guess there's no surprise there. As for your "inferences"...well, you've pretty much demonstrated the value of what you take as "inferred" as well, haven't you? I.e. - you make the "stupid" claim, have it shoved back-up your lying hind-end, and then try like the Devil to counter-balance what you term an "inference" with an out-and-out lie. Again, "whoop-dee-do!" Lastly, I like - and have taken - your final recommendation. And I think that EVERY UPS employee ought to have that same opportunity. Tell me, since we're talking about Indiana, when was the last time an Indiana District UPS employee had the ability to vote "yea" or "nay" on the union? Or, to include those areas of the state that are not in the District, ANY UPS employee in Indiana? 1957? 1959? Ever? Is there *ANY* current Indiana UPS "Teamster" that has EVER had the opportunity to choose to have, or not have, the Teamsters as their "representation"? You claim to be "intelligent", and this seems to be point-on topic. Got an answer? If so, I'd like to hear it. How many UPS are there still working in Indiana who CHOSE via the ballot to become Teamsters? The answer ought to be interesting. Got news for ya', "meto"....in total, you and your kind have not benefited the AVERAGE "Teamster" at all. Fact is, you've cost most of them their jobs. And for many of the ones whose jobs you HAVEN'T cost - say the UPS p/te'rs - you've dramatically limited their wage and benefit opportunities. And since you're so "intelligent" and "honest", you can't for the life of you even make an EFFORT to organize the competition of your major employer - even over the space of close to 40 years! - , and in the process you've hindered the advancement of practically EVERY UPS employee; Teamster and non-Teamster. And, in the off chance you've forgotten, it might be worth pointing out that UPS is about all that's left of the core Teamster transportation industry today. Now, you COULD take a RESPONSIBLE, REASONABLE and HONEST stab at addressing those points...but I think you and I both know you probably won't. You apparently lack the intellectual capacity and integrity to do so. Which, of course, is why you INSIST that members be FORCED to "join" in "membership" with you. And, in case you hadn't noticed, that's the topic of this entire thread; i.e. - "The Truth About Right To Work (for less) In Indiana". Seems like when it comes to "truth", you and yours are found wanting. Given that, it's a big surprise that potential members aren't lining up in droves to sign-on, isn't it? A real "big surprise" indeed! Again, it's not my fault you lack intelligence. Nor is it my fault that you're dishonest. Believe me, I wish it weren't so. And I most certainly had no desire to make an issue of it until you essentially forced me to do so. Then again, maybe that was your goal. Maybe you think those who *YOU* termed "stupid" and those *I* termed "dishonest" are attractive to potential members. Time will tell, I guess. Maybe history ISN'T that determinative. Anyway, good luck with your approach. It's worked so WELL in the past, hasn't it? [grin!] [/QUOTE]
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