There is no Top-Out Anymore

Discussion in 'FedEx Discussions' started by vantexan, Feb 11, 2011.

  1. vantexan

    vantexan Well-Known Member

    I see a number of references to 20 year top-out times here. There's about a $7hr difference between starting pay and top-out on the lowest payscale so if a new employee averaged 20 cents more on his raises than topped out employees do then it would take about 35 years to catch top-out. And if you figure what raises will be now that a 7 is only 4.5% even a 20 cent average difference will be hard to achieve. Take into account years without raises or a partial raise then a 22 year old who retires at 62 will probably not catch top pay. In effect there is no longer a top-out.

    And if so, then the current topped out couriers shouldn't be designated as such but should be getting the same deal as we do. They should get 4.5% for a 7 review, not 3%. After all, they now won't get an automatic 3% if they get a 5 or better review, so top pay will no longer be uniform. So why not give those who've put in the years a better deal? Fred Smith said that he was going to reward those who've stuck with him all these years. We mid-range employees employees aren't going to catch them anyways, why not put everyone on the same pay track?
     
  2. Cant wait for my .51 cent raise in march. As usual Fred putting 10.00 in my left pocket and the pulling 20.00 out of my right pocket with the raise in healthcare insurance. Not to mention Anthem is 100x worse than the open access no referral for specialists Cigna. You knew there was no way they were doing us any favor switching to Anthem. They would never do that if it was a benefit to us.
     
  3. DOWNTRODDEN IN TEXAS

    DOWNTRODDEN IN TEXAS Active Member

    And another person who "gets it".

    Uncle Freddo lives by the axiom of "never let your right hand know what your left hand is doing.."
     
  4. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    How many people do you think will miss the magic score on their review by just a tenth or two? "Wow, you were this close to making-it". And how many morons will go out there and bust their hump trying to get a higher score? Lots and lots. How many times do they have to screw some of these folks before they "get it"?
     
  5. Funny thing is last year after my review Feb 2010 my stupid manager comes up to me with this dumb look on her face and says you did great on you're review this year. Got a mid 6 score which for me is pretty good because my attendance has been a little spotty the last 5 years because of getting the flu a bunch of times each year. So I look her dead in the face and I say "Big deal. We're not even getting raises this year so I could care less what my score was". And I walked away. Another example of mgmt talking to us like they think we are stupid. Why would she think I would ever care about some number that means nothing. Will be interesting to see what she tries to jam me on this year when I have my review next week. I'm sure she will come up with something to save the company a few more cents off my hourly pay bump.
     
  6. whenIgetthere

    whenIgetthere Well-Known Member

    I hear ya, my review always gets screwed because of van scans. There are those days when you get to your truck with a heap of packages on the floor, you finally get the truck in stop order and scanned, then one of the morons from management says, oh, you're on another route now and the part timer who "volunteered" to come in gets to scan this truck that's now in stop order, while you get to move to another disaster and scan 200 more packages. Gee, I wonder why I missed a couple of van scans. When I got my review last year and got a high 6, my manager told me you almost got a 7. I told her the system is set up so no one gets a 7 except PT handlers, and I could care less. She does her reviews in private in the office, so I just got up and closed the door behind me.
     
  7. vantexan

    vantexan Well-Known Member

    Probably not as many as when a 6.5 equaled a 6.5% raise. What's a 6.5 now? 4%? And there's no guarantee that they'll actually keep to this pay scheme either. They might for a few years, then not pay anything for a year or 2. OK if you're topped out, but think how those of us making $16 or $17 an hr feel, especially when we have to pay as much for healthcare as topped out employees do. And I'm not knocking topped out employees, just saying that there's very little incentive to go the extra mile as we are never going go be rewarded for our efforts. They will squeeze everything they can out of us and act like they're doing us a favor.
     
  8. Chart is in the hallway at my sta. Pretty sure 6.5 is 3.4% raise. 7 is totally unreachable. 0 days missed. 0 days late. 0 missed van scans. 0 missed pod's. And on the off chance someone miraculously pulled all that off I'm sure he or she's manager would find something else to jam them on so they still couldn't get the 7.
     
  9. vantexan

    vantexan Well-Known Member

    Absolutely ridiculous. Almost as if now that there's no chance for a union they want to show us who's the boss.
     
  10. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Fred is negotiating with his contacts in the government (his politician poodles) to see if he can import couriers from China and pay them $1.50 per hour with no benefits. He will convert old AMJ containers into employee housing so they never have to leave the premises, and he'll open a FedEx company store where all the food costs twice as much as the local Safeway so he profits doubly from the workers. When they get sick or injured, he can just deport them on the next half empty flight back to Guangzhou. As soon as he fires all Express couriers, he'll go to work replacing the "overpaid" Ground non-employees.
     
  11. whenIgetthere

    whenIgetthere Well-Known Member

    He wouldn't even have to pay them the buck fifty, he'd pay him with those old company coins (or whatever they used to call them) where they can only spend them at the company store, thus assuring himself of screweing them doubly!!
     
  12. FedEx2000

    FedEx2000 New Member

    Not true, I gave a 7.0 to one of my FT Drivers a couple months back. And you don't have to be 100% on VAN/POD to get a 7.0, but you can't miss many. Why shouldn't a 7.0 be difficult? That is a "perfect" score....not meant to be given out to everyone. Also, there is only 1 category on the review that your manager enters, "Customer Service/Professionalism". All of the other categories auto-populate based on your performance throughout the year. If your manager adjusts any of them it has to be signed off by your Sr. and sometimes the director. I would suggest doing a little research or asking some questions as to how the review works b/c you don't quite seem to have all the facts. Your manager doesn't just plug in whatever they feel like, doesn't work that way....there is zero incentive for them to give you a lower score than what you earned.
     
  13. Trust me FE2000. I am well versed in how the system works. Will be a 10 year employee later this year. Practically no one gets a 7.0 and mgmt loves giving out crummy scores to employees who aren't kiss-asses to keep raises down. Those are two facts.
     
  14. FedEx2000

    FedEx2000 New Member

    Here's a fact, I am a manager and I give my employees whatever score they EARN. I do not decide what they get, their performance dictates it. Very few couriers are perfect, and so few 7.0 are given. The only ones who generally get less than a 6.5 either have attendance/punctuality issues or can't stop running in to things. The money does not come out of my pocket, so I have no incentive to give a lower review/raise. I do not get a bigger bonus if I give out lower reviews. Not once in my time with FedEx have I even had a conversation about review scores that are given with anyone beyond my Sr. Mgr.....there is no one telling mgrs to give the lowest possible review score. If you have a mgr doing so, it's b/c he/she is just an a-hole.
     
  15. LTFedExer

    LTFedExer New Member

    As FedEx2000 said, the only number the manager puts in is "Customer Service/Professionalism". There USED to be a time where ALL the numbers were put in by the manager. There really is no reason for them to have to input numbers (missing POD's/VANs, attendance, etc) when the system can easily figure them out. So you're comment about 'mgmt loves giving out crummy scores to employees who aren't kiss-asses to keep raises down' is false.

    For the record, I just passed 11 years last month and I have never received a '7', though I have come close and I personally know 4 couriers that got a '7' on their last review. The main thing that kept me from getting a '7' is being sick (flu 2 years running, torn meniscus twice, broken finger...that I can remember), nothing else. So.....did management stop me from getting a 7? Nope....I did.
     
  16. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I am exactly one minute late during an entire year, I cannot be a "7". Correct? The entire system is set-up to ding you for minor errors that wouldn't even be an issue at 99% of the other employers out there.
     
  17. I can tell you right now in 9 going on ten years I have never gotten higher than a 6.4 and I am a model employee in every dept except attendance. Usually have to call out between 8-10 days a year because I get the cold or flu often each winter. So the scoring is definitely tilted towards attendance being a big factor because they know people will miss work. Things happen. You get sick. And let me repeat I am a model employee in all other areas. Never had a single on road issue or anything else. I fly totally under the radar. I'm not going to sugarcoat the fact that I am disgruntled for a variety of reasons but I am always professional when dealing with customers and doing the job the correct way. I take 0 shortcuts.
     
  18. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    Sorry, but in order to be a perfect robot...uh, "7", you cannot be sick. Please train yourself to come in when you are ill and spread whatever you have to everyone else. This happens all the time when Mr./Ms. Dedication can't bear to be away from FedEx for one single day. OR, because they know they'll be penalized for it, or penalized and not paid for over 5 days, they come in and give you their disease. Thanks, Fred!!
     
  19. vantexan

    vantexan Well-Known Member

    Yeah, had food poisoning last June and a plugged up artery last month. I'm going to get reamed next review on sick days. Should a 7 be easy to get? Used to be a 7% raise, then a 6% raise, now a 7 is worth 4.5%. Yes, we should keep working as hard as possible for diminishing returns. Oh wait, the review doesn't reward hard work, just dings you for the mistakes you are likely to make or can't help in some circumstances. I was one of only 3 of my senior's employees that made goal every month last year out of 150 couriers. Got a BZ. BFD. Meanwhile I signed some sheet tonight about committing to avoiding accidents and injuries. Each employee signed one and each employee had all his accidents and injuries listed. Most of mine were from before I quit. Irks me that I had to start over at $10.85hr and not get a clean slate. Meanwhile a 3 yr employee who recently go rehired was actually rehired at more than she left at. Good for her but I'm closer to her than I am to top-out. After 12 years of breaking my back and posting damn good numbers and being lied to and cheated over and over. Why anyone defends these pirates is beyond me.
     
  20. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member


    If you started over, you should definitely get a clean slate, OR maybe they should reinstate your seniority and pay you like everyone else. Oh, can't do that. And yes, the whole pay structure is designed for maximum profit for FedEx and minimum payout to employees. Think of the millions Fred has saved with this deal, which is utterly indefensible. It's by design, as in intentional, planned and fully intended. You are supposed to get "dinged" for every little thing you do wrong so they can pay you less and then blame you for not making enough of an effort.