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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 624730" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>evilleace;</p><p> </p><p>Curious, could you tell me how you *KNOW* that, as opposed to speculating that it COULD be the case? I mean actual KNOWLEDGE is a very specific matter, isn't it?</p><p> </p><p>Seems to me that, for an individual to HAVE such "knowledge", he would have to have to some experience to base it on. You have much experience with union UPS employees taking pay cuts, do you?</p><p> </p><p>That said, bear in mind that direct compensation isn't the only service "cost"; just the rigmarole of dealing with an organization like the Teamsters (increased hassle of management, retention of "employees" that the company finds useless, or worse, contract negotiations, increased financing costs due to the perceived burden of being "unionized", etc., etc) have a tremendous impact on costs....and thus on what level of service can be provided!</p><p> </p><p>Anyway, all I'm saying is that, minus Teamster involvement/member demands, it would be a lot easier for management to provide MORE service at a CHEAPER price and with a GREATER profit than currently. Not saying that's the way - given employee demands - that it SHOULD be. But I think it EXTREMELY naive to believe that management is the biggest problem in terms of providing service; rather, management tends to be the juggler keeping up in the air both the service and the cost/income factors that make that service possible. Meanwhile, all too often, the organized employees as a body are trying to interrupt that juggling process.</p><p> </p><p>Example? Well, what's the biggest service interruption at UPS that you can remember? Think hard. And think who caused it. And if you say it was the entity that "forced" the other entity to cause by not giving into their demands, then I suggest you get back to that mirror I postulated in a previous post.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 624730, member: 16651"] evilleace; Curious, could you tell me how you *KNOW* that, as opposed to speculating that it COULD be the case? I mean actual KNOWLEDGE is a very specific matter, isn't it? Seems to me that, for an individual to HAVE such "knowledge", he would have to have to some experience to base it on. You have much experience with union UPS employees taking pay cuts, do you? That said, bear in mind that direct compensation isn't the only service "cost"; just the rigmarole of dealing with an organization like the Teamsters (increased hassle of management, retention of "employees" that the company finds useless, or worse, contract negotiations, increased financing costs due to the perceived burden of being "unionized", etc., etc) have a tremendous impact on costs....and thus on what level of service can be provided! Anyway, all I'm saying is that, minus Teamster involvement/member demands, it would be a lot easier for management to provide MORE service at a CHEAPER price and with a GREATER profit than currently. Not saying that's the way - given employee demands - that it SHOULD be. But I think it EXTREMELY naive to believe that management is the biggest problem in terms of providing service; rather, management tends to be the juggler keeping up in the air both the service and the cost/income factors that make that service possible. Meanwhile, all too often, the organized employees as a body are trying to interrupt that juggling process. Example? Well, what's the biggest service interruption at UPS that you can remember? Think hard. And think who caused it. And if you say it was the entity that "forced" the other entity to cause by not giving into their demands, then I suggest you get back to that mirror I postulated in a previous post. [/QUOTE]
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