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<blockquote data-quote="PobreCarlos" data-source="post: 625134" data-attributes="member: 16651"><p>soberups;</p><p> </p><p>Yet you seem to have no problem with that [alleged!]....</p><p> </p><p>"9 year old Chinese child working for $3 a day in a sweatshop with none of those pesky labor or enviornmental laws to contend with"</p><p> </p><p>....subsidizing YOUR existence! Make no mistake; that's EXACTLY what's happening now! The productivity of those [competitive] Chinese workers - and the excess they produce and save - is what's backing the IMMENSE loans to the United States, which are being used to [temporarily, at least] subsidize those American workers who CAN'T (or, more truthfully, "won't) earn their OWN way on this earth!</p><p> </p><p>Perhaps "cheaper doesn't always mean better". But, over the long term, more cost-effective and more efficient DOES mean survival. And do you think that even those [again, "alleged"] "$3 a day" Chinese laborers are going to be satisfied forever subsidizing the craven rear-ends of those who aren't willing to work as hard as they do? Do you think that they're going to continue not gathering-in the fruits of THEIR labor? Remember, LABOR HAS AN INTRINSIC VALUE! On that basis, even "$3/day" is better than NOTHING. And, of course (as can already be seen in the dramatic consumption increase in China, which is based on its increased productivity), wealth will follow to THOSE WHO CREATE IT!</p><p> </p><p>Don't get me wrong; it saddens me to see so many workers (or, more to the point, "could be" workers) on the slippery slope. But, in a general way, they're almost always at fault themselves! Like it or not, "fair" or not, capital is going to seek the most efficient, most cost-effective labor alternative. And those that provide that labor are going to gather in the fruits of it.</p><p> </p><p>Once upon a time (and, in many, MANY instances, they still do!) American workers richly EARNED the wealth the gathered in. Today, far too many want to keep the wealth...but without putting forth the effort to maintain it.</p><p> </p><p>People can weep and gnash their teeth all they want about the situation but, in the end, THERE'S SIMPLY NO ALTERNATIVE TO BEING COMPETITIVE! THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH!</p><p> </p><p>As for the "level playing field", that seems to be the problem with far too many American workers as well; the LAST thing they want is a "level playing field". Rather, they want it tilted in their direction, or the other side handicapped. Look at the Teamsters now in regards to car haul; they don't want to be competitive, so they're asking the government to step in and UN-level the "playing field" in such a way that those who ARE competitive aren't allowed to play on it. Or take the port situation, for example; do you REALLY believe that the Teamsters primary concern is environmental? Nope...they want favor (read "subsidy"). And don't get me started on the auto workers union, or the steel workers, etc.</p><p> </p><p>Sorry, but "fair is fair"...and I have little sympathy for those who think "fair" means that things ought to be tilted in their direction.</p><p> </p><p>Lastly, I'm not PROPOSING any "race" of any kind. I'm simply pointing out that there *IS* a "race"...or a game of "musical chairs", if you would. And if the American workers wants to win, he has to compete. Because, you see, ANY seat is better than none at all. Just a fact of life.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PobreCarlos, post: 625134, member: 16651"] soberups; Yet you seem to have no problem with that [alleged!].... "9 year old Chinese child working for $3 a day in a sweatshop with none of those pesky labor or enviornmental laws to contend with" ....subsidizing YOUR existence! Make no mistake; that's EXACTLY what's happening now! The productivity of those [competitive] Chinese workers - and the excess they produce and save - is what's backing the IMMENSE loans to the United States, which are being used to [temporarily, at least] subsidize those American workers who CAN'T (or, more truthfully, "won't) earn their OWN way on this earth! Perhaps "cheaper doesn't always mean better". But, over the long term, more cost-effective and more efficient DOES mean survival. And do you think that even those [again, "alleged"] "$3 a day" Chinese laborers are going to be satisfied forever subsidizing the craven rear-ends of those who aren't willing to work as hard as they do? Do you think that they're going to continue not gathering-in the fruits of THEIR labor? Remember, LABOR HAS AN INTRINSIC VALUE! On that basis, even "$3/day" is better than NOTHING. And, of course (as can already be seen in the dramatic consumption increase in China, which is based on its increased productivity), wealth will follow to THOSE WHO CREATE IT! Don't get me wrong; it saddens me to see so many workers (or, more to the point, "could be" workers) on the slippery slope. But, in a general way, they're almost always at fault themselves! Like it or not, "fair" or not, capital is going to seek the most efficient, most cost-effective labor alternative. And those that provide that labor are going to gather in the fruits of it. Once upon a time (and, in many, MANY instances, they still do!) American workers richly EARNED the wealth the gathered in. Today, far too many want to keep the wealth...but without putting forth the effort to maintain it. People can weep and gnash their teeth all they want about the situation but, in the end, THERE'S SIMPLY NO ALTERNATIVE TO BEING COMPETITIVE! THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH! As for the "level playing field", that seems to be the problem with far too many American workers as well; the LAST thing they want is a "level playing field". Rather, they want it tilted in their direction, or the other side handicapped. Look at the Teamsters now in regards to car haul; they don't want to be competitive, so they're asking the government to step in and UN-level the "playing field" in such a way that those who ARE competitive aren't allowed to play on it. Or take the port situation, for example; do you REALLY believe that the Teamsters primary concern is environmental? Nope...they want favor (read "subsidy"). And don't get me started on the auto workers union, or the steel workers, etc. Sorry, but "fair is fair"...and I have little sympathy for those who think "fair" means that things ought to be tilted in their direction. Lastly, I'm not PROPOSING any "race" of any kind. I'm simply pointing out that there *IS* a "race"...or a game of "musical chairs", if you would. And if the American workers wants to win, he has to compete. Because, you see, ANY seat is better than none at all. Just a fact of life. [/QUOTE]
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