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<blockquote data-quote="TheFigurehead" data-source="post: 1188957" data-attributes="member: 49302"><p>I am so tired of this line of reasoning. It's patently false. If executive pay were capped, sure, maybe we'd lose the overpaid underwhelming crop of useless old men that are currently installed by their corporate corny friends for obscene salaries... but do you really think there aren't thousands of young, smart, hungry business people willing to do it for less? Who aren't stuck in 1971? Who might have fresh ideas? All paying these guys as much as we do accomplishes is to ensure that the old blood continues to stick around for decades beyond their relevancy.</p><p></p><p>Beyond that... if you believe this to be true... why doesn't the same apply to everyone else? Loaders / Unloaders here get, essentially, minimum wage to start ($8.50/hr. Minimum wage in IL is $8.25), and no benefits for a year. We then (it seems to be a running issue here, and on site) complain that people don't stick around more than a week or two... or that we only get the most useless of applicants. The McDonalds down the street hires folks on at $9.00, and having worked at McDonald's as a teenager, those people are working 1/10 as hard. </p><p></p><p>Granted, there are no benefits to be had at McDonalds, but how many new hires last a year at UPS? Not many. Many of us like to claim it's due to laziness or an aversion to hard work... but I don't buy it. I think people have an aversion to doing $15/hr worth of work for half that pay. I can't say I blame them... especially those who aren't looking for a "career" at UPS. One can make the argument that if you put in your time, there is money to be made... but for the average college student or young adult just looking for a part time job, there is little benefit. If the pay were in line with what other places pay (or more importantly in line with the amount of work), we'd have more, and better, applicants, less turnover, and better attitudes.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TheFigurehead, post: 1188957, member: 49302"] I am so tired of this line of reasoning. It's patently false. If executive pay were capped, sure, maybe we'd lose the overpaid underwhelming crop of useless old men that are currently installed by their corporate corny friends for obscene salaries... but do you really think there aren't thousands of young, smart, hungry business people willing to do it for less? Who aren't stuck in 1971? Who might have fresh ideas? All paying these guys as much as we do accomplishes is to ensure that the old blood continues to stick around for decades beyond their relevancy. Beyond that... if you believe this to be true... why doesn't the same apply to everyone else? Loaders / Unloaders here get, essentially, minimum wage to start ($8.50/hr. Minimum wage in IL is $8.25), and no benefits for a year. We then (it seems to be a running issue here, and on site) complain that people don't stick around more than a week or two... or that we only get the most useless of applicants. The McDonalds down the street hires folks on at $9.00, and having worked at McDonald's as a teenager, those people are working 1/10 as hard. Granted, there are no benefits to be had at McDonalds, but how many new hires last a year at UPS? Not many. Many of us like to claim it's due to laziness or an aversion to hard work... but I don't buy it. I think people have an aversion to doing $15/hr worth of work for half that pay. I can't say I blame them... especially those who aren't looking for a "career" at UPS. One can make the argument that if you put in your time, there is money to be made... but for the average college student or young adult just looking for a part time job, there is little benefit. If the pay were in line with what other places pay (or more importantly in line with the amount of work), we'd have more, and better, applicants, less turnover, and better attitudes. [/QUOTE]
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