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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 95420" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Slow down moreluck. Death penalty is an option only in the case of a capital crime and to my knowledge nobody had died at their hands. Are you thinking treason? Legal research on this matter would suggest the precedense for that isn't there either. Just very recent examples would be activities of many groups here in America associated with various aspects of the so-called American Patriot movement or the actions of racially motivated folks like Ayran Nations. In many of those cases, the only time the death penalty came into play was when an actual loss of life had occurred. Many of these groups made no bones about their feeling toward's Washington DC and the overall direction of America.</p><p> </p><p>In the late 80's, there was a major Sedition Trial conducted by the US Justice department in Ft. Smith Arkansas where various leaders of the Income Tax Revolt, Individualist Seperatist Movement and various racial causes were all indicted, lumped together as one and charged with Sedition as well as other charges. Sedition is but the thinness of a hair from Treason and the gov't never went that route but also to my delight, all 19 defendants were found innocent by the jury. Only if you understand the greater implications of such a legal precedense and the dynamics of the game that the Dept. of Justice was playing at the time will you ever begin to understand not only my delight but the delight by a large segment in the legal community. The senior partner in the law firm my wife works for is the biggest law and order guy there is and is a hardcore Republican and oh yes he an I love to do verbal battle and he also hates seeing me in his law library (it's hate with a hidden gleeful smile) and even he was very critical of this action by the gov't. He also wholeheartedly supports the war on terror and the current actions in the Mid-East.</p><p> </p><p>We are a nation of precedense and what becomes established either by actions in the courts or as a matter of public policy is nearly impossible to rid itself of especially the longer it stays in place. If you look over the course of time and the actions of our society, the vast majority of programs and action of gov't never end as a bureacracy grows around it and becomes so attached to the foundation of state that's it's impossible to remove without inflicting larger damage to the vehicle of State.</p><p> </p><p>I won't disagree these clowns are idiots, slimballs even and in the end may be very bad individuals. I myself might want to shot them too. However, before we shoot them in the street we better consider what the longterm implications of that act is and how it can be construed in many ways over the years of time. What will that act now mean for your grandchildren or my kids in 20, 30 or 40 years? It's not an easy answer if you're honest so don't be so quick to do so!</p><p> </p><p>JMO.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 95420, member: 2189"] Slow down moreluck. Death penalty is an option only in the case of a capital crime and to my knowledge nobody had died at their hands. Are you thinking treason? Legal research on this matter would suggest the precedense for that isn't there either. Just very recent examples would be activities of many groups here in America associated with various aspects of the so-called American Patriot movement or the actions of racially motivated folks like Ayran Nations. In many of those cases, the only time the death penalty came into play was when an actual loss of life had occurred. Many of these groups made no bones about their feeling toward's Washington DC and the overall direction of America. In the late 80's, there was a major Sedition Trial conducted by the US Justice department in Ft. Smith Arkansas where various leaders of the Income Tax Revolt, Individualist Seperatist Movement and various racial causes were all indicted, lumped together as one and charged with Sedition as well as other charges. Sedition is but the thinness of a hair from Treason and the gov't never went that route but also to my delight, all 19 defendants were found innocent by the jury. Only if you understand the greater implications of such a legal precedense and the dynamics of the game that the Dept. of Justice was playing at the time will you ever begin to understand not only my delight but the delight by a large segment in the legal community. The senior partner in the law firm my wife works for is the biggest law and order guy there is and is a hardcore Republican and oh yes he an I love to do verbal battle and he also hates seeing me in his law library (it's hate with a hidden gleeful smile) and even he was very critical of this action by the gov't. He also wholeheartedly supports the war on terror and the current actions in the Mid-East. We are a nation of precedense and what becomes established either by actions in the courts or as a matter of public policy is nearly impossible to rid itself of especially the longer it stays in place. If you look over the course of time and the actions of our society, the vast majority of programs and action of gov't never end as a bureacracy grows around it and becomes so attached to the foundation of state that's it's impossible to remove without inflicting larger damage to the vehicle of State. I won't disagree these clowns are idiots, slimballs even and in the end may be very bad individuals. I myself might want to shot them too. However, before we shoot them in the street we better consider what the longterm implications of that act is and how it can be construed in many ways over the years of time. What will that act now mean for your grandchildren or my kids in 20, 30 or 40 years? It's not an easy answer if you're honest so don't be so quick to do so! JMO. [/QUOTE]
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