Torture – Yes We Can?
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av8torntn
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Most of the tactics the Dim's are protesting happen to also be some of our most successful.
wkmac
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Who really are the enemies of the American people?
Catatonic
Nine Lives
We are our own worst enemies.
diesel96
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That's what Rev Wright has been try'in to tell you "crackers" for 20 years.....
Chickens, have come home to ROOST.
My apology for the "cracker"joke..
Catatonic
Nine Lives
My apology for the "cracker"joke..
No problem, I got a big crack.
diesel96
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chev
Nightcrawler
And the media
wkmac
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Chev,
Does anyone hold a gun to our heads and force us to watch the media? There is an alternative media out there and the best weapon against the Big MSM (main street media) is to focus and advocate the alternative. Chris Matthews recently openly admitted his deal going forward would be to make Obama successful and since he's openly admitted this, I got no problem. In fact I appreciated his honesty and it helps me going forward to better understand from where he comes from when he makes public comments of issues. I think more media folks should follow Chris' lead so we all are better informed consumers of news if you will. For me, Chris' admission just reconfirmed what I already knew and therefore further justified my complete and total ignoring of all MSM for all practical purposes. They've made themselves illrelevant IMHO.
Whatever the media is these days, we still have a choice of not to listen and consider what they say. As Hoax rightly said, "we are our own worst enemies!"
Also continuing to vote for the same tired worthless 2 parties as we keep doing and expecting somethiing different (change) is the absolute of stupidity. The world no longer respects us because they know the truth that we are worthless, lazy, self-centered, maniacally destructive idoits!
chev
Nightcrawler
Absolutely not. Hoax is right about us being our own worst enemies.
I guess I am trying to say it's too bad that so many people follow the media like sheep to slaughter. They hang on their every word and depend on media judgment to guide how they feel rather than being investigative and making informed decisions.
I care very little about what the world thinks about this GREAT country. (I still have pride for my country, just not all the citizens) It's a hell of a lot better than living in "I surrender" France. Yes, this country needs to get off it's rear and kick these fat cats out of Washington.
It's like sticking your hand in a fire, crying for an hour and doing it again because you forgot the pain already.
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wkmac
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No argument there either. There was an old Sci-Fi movie from back in the early 80's (Dune) and there was a line form that movie I always found of interest. "Fear is the mind killer" and I found it interesting because when fear becomes the predominate force, rational and logical thought can easily get tossed to the side. Your description of "hand in the fire" ironically pictures a scene from the movie that pertians to a mindtrick with a hand in a box where sight based on false visual input causes the sense of feel to be tricked and thus evoking an emotional repsonse based on a original false premise. Even though you knew from logic what you saw was false, the emotions of fear made the pain seem real and therefore clouded your judgement as to the course of action.
I honestly believe our recent election was just such an exercise as people on bothsides voted as much or moreso out of fear than on positive ideals and principles or in this case logic and rational thought. I think in many respects fear won the day but can they now make us precieve the pain as something good and openly accept it and in fact welcome it. I do believe sadly they will be successful in such endeavors.
wkmac
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Now that was funny Scratch but the sad thing is you could do the same with McCain voters and it be equally funny.
I did read this today that gave me a bit of hope but how long it lasts I'm not sure.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/not-all-news-is-bad.html
The sad part is the quote of Bush's speech to Wall Street. Had he believed all that stuff all along and governed accordingly, we might be in a very different world today that might even include a dead Osama bin Laden. History has a cruel way of crushing dreams however.
I guess it's the democrats turn to prove Lord Acton right yet again!
I did read this today that gave me a bit of hope but how long it lasts I'm not sure.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/not-all-news-is-bad.html
The sad part is the quote of Bush's speech to Wall Street. Had he believed all that stuff all along and governed accordingly, we might be in a very different world today that might even include a dead Osama bin Laden. History has a cruel way of crushing dreams however.
I guess it's the democrats turn to prove Lord Acton right yet again!
wkmac
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Will Grigg @ Pro Liberate has written a very good article on Torture (specifically waterboarding) that does an excellent job of discussing the practice as it relates to America over the last 100 years.
He's against so I'll tell you that up front but his discussion of the practice's history is IMO very good and informative.
One of my favorite quotes from the piece is this:
For those of you who don't like Obama, Pelosi, Barney Frank, et al and fear all that you think they plan to do, give some thought to the above words. For the last 8 years and to some extent since 1994' you've sat in a comfort zone and roles were reversed and it was Obama supporters if you will who felt like you do now. Nothing but "A THING!"
The question is, do you continue the game of ping pong and being the ping pong ball or do you do something different?
He's against so I'll tell you that up front but his discussion of the practice's history is IMO very good and informative.
One of my favorite quotes from the piece is this:
For those of you who don't like Obama, Pelosi, Barney Frank, et al and fear all that you think they plan to do, give some thought to the above words. For the last 8 years and to some extent since 1994' you've sat in a comfort zone and roles were reversed and it was Obama supporters if you will who felt like you do now. Nothing but "A THING!"
The question is, do you continue the game of ping pong and being the ping pong ball or do you do something different?
