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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1476899" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>I agree with you that we have to stop our own creation in ISIS/ISIL. It has turned into a monster. If we had just left SYRIA alone, instead of destabilizing the government there on behalf of Israel, ISIS wouldnt have never been able to form, organize, arm, resupply, or monetarize itself by taking over banks, land and military installations.</p><p></p><p>But "we" didnt know better. </p><p></p><p>It always comes back to that stupid concept that "WE" can install democracy anyplace we like. We have failed miserably as a nation to do just that. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan are all FAILURES in US military policy.</p><p></p><p>By believing that "we" could rid ourselves of Assad in Syria by arming rebels, and later install democracy by having democratic elections shows that "we" dont understand the muslim people.</p><p></p><p>They took our weapons and tried to fight the Syrian army, they started losing and we didnt go far enough to help, not that we could, but we left them hanging while IRAN resupplied the Syrian war machine. Those rebels asked for more weapons, larger weapons and those war hawks in the GOP gave them to them.</p><p></p><p>Now they are armed to the teeth and no longer fighting Assad, instead they are fighting a weaker country in IRAQ because circumstance there ( al maliki killing sunnis) gave them the platform for recruitment.</p><p></p><p>"We" screwed up IRAQ and set ourselves up for conflict for at least another 10 years. </p><p></p><p>This equation means: BAD FOR AMERICANS, GOOD FOR THE WAR MACHINE.</p><p></p><p>Of course, every right wing Hawk will say that we need to throw more money and weapons of war at the problem, but look where we are today..</p><p></p><p>Its costing near 1 billion a week for our military involvement now, and as it grows larger, we could be back at 2 billion a week like it was in Iraq during the BUSH administration and that only drives up the deficit over 20 trillion in less than 5 years.</p><p></p><p>Just a couple of weeks ago, the right wing was crying about the deficit going over 18 trillion, but what does anyone expect when we spend money we dont have on wars?</p><p></p><p>Looking outside the box and keeping away from political rhetoric, the real issue is ARMS and ARMS dealers.</p><p></p><p>Ask yourself, how these third world african countries can end up with militants armed to the teeth with american weapons and humvees? How did somalia become an armed country of militants?</p><p></p><p>They dont make a single gun or bullet there, yet, there are more guns in that country than the USA.</p><p></p><p>What about the Sudan? What about Kenya? What about Yemen? </p><p></p><p>Syria is just the latest country that "WE" oversupplied with arms believing "we" were doing the right thing.</p><p></p><p>Now we know it wasnt and isnt going to be anytime soon.</p><p></p><p>TOS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1476899, member: 17969"] I agree with you that we have to stop our own creation in ISIS/ISIL. It has turned into a monster. If we had just left SYRIA alone, instead of destabilizing the government there on behalf of Israel, ISIS wouldnt have never been able to form, organize, arm, resupply, or monetarize itself by taking over banks, land and military installations. But "we" didnt know better. It always comes back to that stupid concept that "WE" can install democracy anyplace we like. We have failed miserably as a nation to do just that. Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan are all FAILURES in US military policy. By believing that "we" could rid ourselves of Assad in Syria by arming rebels, and later install democracy by having democratic elections shows that "we" dont understand the muslim people. They took our weapons and tried to fight the Syrian army, they started losing and we didnt go far enough to help, not that we could, but we left them hanging while IRAN resupplied the Syrian war machine. Those rebels asked for more weapons, larger weapons and those war hawks in the GOP gave them to them. Now they are armed to the teeth and no longer fighting Assad, instead they are fighting a weaker country in IRAQ because circumstance there ( al maliki killing sunnis) gave them the platform for recruitment. "We" screwed up IRAQ and set ourselves up for conflict for at least another 10 years. This equation means: BAD FOR AMERICANS, GOOD FOR THE WAR MACHINE. Of course, every right wing Hawk will say that we need to throw more money and weapons of war at the problem, but look where we are today.. Its costing near 1 billion a week for our military involvement now, and as it grows larger, we could be back at 2 billion a week like it was in Iraq during the BUSH administration and that only drives up the deficit over 20 trillion in less than 5 years. Just a couple of weeks ago, the right wing was crying about the deficit going over 18 trillion, but what does anyone expect when we spend money we dont have on wars? Looking outside the box and keeping away from political rhetoric, the real issue is ARMS and ARMS dealers. Ask yourself, how these third world african countries can end up with militants armed to the teeth with american weapons and humvees? How did somalia become an armed country of militants? They dont make a single gun or bullet there, yet, there are more guns in that country than the USA. What about the Sudan? What about Kenya? What about Yemen? Syria is just the latest country that "WE" oversupplied with arms believing "we" were doing the right thing. Now we know it wasnt and isnt going to be anytime soon. TOS. [/QUOTE]
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