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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 56932"><p>wily old vet, </p><p>Good points but let me throw out a different way of looking at it. First off, many of the America proposals would have a GPS data unit on board the car documenting not only the miles you drive but where you drive. This is a concern to many liberty minded folk who are not real keen on the idea of the gov't being able to track you 24/7 so to speak. Real Concern or Over Reacting? Hard to say but I understand their point. </p><p> </p><p>Believe it or not I actually like the idea of killing the excise tax at the pump and then you pay by the mile traveled because it does 2 things. </p><p> </p><p>1)The tax is no longer hidden and it slaps you right in the face. If America is forced to pay the tax straight out of pocket instead of having someone else be the tax collector and bury the tax within the cost of a product then maybe America will begin to see just how wasteful and free spending our gov't is and start putting some real heat on our leadership. </p><p> </p><p>2) Under the current method of excise tax via fuels that go to support roads, etc. the system actually works against very high mileage vehicles. Our gov't has a transportation budget to support the highway infastructure of America and a large part of that budget is obtained from fuel excise taxes. If say tomorrow we could all double our mpg of our cars we'd all think that was good not only because of the less oil but also the environmental positive of less pollution which is also very important as well. The gov't however has a business to run and when faced with cutting their tax take in half as a result of the doubling of fuel effecency of all vehicles you can bet they won't go for it and yes I absolutely believe that. Because first and foremost I believe gov't is nothing but a business and it will protect itself first at all costs. </p><p> </p><p>By taxing via the mile traveled you now kick the door down for higher mileage vehicles to come about and people will pressure politicians to do a better job with road costs. How many roads are built in America not because they are truly needed but are needed by a developer and the politically connected get their roads. They generally get their way because the tax for such ventures are generally hidden within the cost of auto related products and the people don't feel the pain of paying out the money directly. </p><p> </p><p>I think we are about to enter an era where many new things will happen whether that be how we are taxed to support roads of what kind of fuel will power the vehicle we use to get there. It's wide open to a degree but even with it's cons I do like the talk about paying by the mile driven. Whether that becomes the method or is the right method I don't have that answer but more importantly I like the method that the user pays for it. It just might be that this step in a user pays tax for roads might transition into other gov't programs and those folks who want the nanny State can have it via a user pays and those of us who don't can live devoid of it. I will say this, don't pay the user tax and then use the system, I hope the penalties for such when caught are extremely harsh as IMO they should be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 56932"] wily old vet, Good points but let me throw out a different way of looking at it. First off, many of the America proposals would have a GPS data unit on board the car documenting not only the miles you drive but where you drive. This is a concern to many liberty minded folk who are not real keen on the idea of the gov't being able to track you 24/7 so to speak. Real Concern or Over Reacting? Hard to say but I understand their point. Believe it or not I actually like the idea of killing the excise tax at the pump and then you pay by the mile traveled because it does 2 things. 1)The tax is no longer hidden and it slaps you right in the face. If America is forced to pay the tax straight out of pocket instead of having someone else be the tax collector and bury the tax within the cost of a product then maybe America will begin to see just how wasteful and free spending our gov't is and start putting some real heat on our leadership. 2) Under the current method of excise tax via fuels that go to support roads, etc. the system actually works against very high mileage vehicles. Our gov't has a transportation budget to support the highway infastructure of America and a large part of that budget is obtained from fuel excise taxes. If say tomorrow we could all double our mpg of our cars we'd all think that was good not only because of the less oil but also the environmental positive of less pollution which is also very important as well. The gov't however has a business to run and when faced with cutting their tax take in half as a result of the doubling of fuel effecency of all vehicles you can bet they won't go for it and yes I absolutely believe that. Because first and foremost I believe gov't is nothing but a business and it will protect itself first at all costs. By taxing via the mile traveled you now kick the door down for higher mileage vehicles to come about and people will pressure politicians to do a better job with road costs. How many roads are built in America not because they are truly needed but are needed by a developer and the politically connected get their roads. They generally get their way because the tax for such ventures are generally hidden within the cost of auto related products and the people don't feel the pain of paying out the money directly. I think we are about to enter an era where many new things will happen whether that be how we are taxed to support roads of what kind of fuel will power the vehicle we use to get there. It's wide open to a degree but even with it's cons I do like the talk about paying by the mile driven. Whether that becomes the method or is the right method I don't have that answer but more importantly I like the method that the user pays for it. It just might be that this step in a user pays tax for roads might transition into other gov't programs and those folks who want the nanny State can have it via a user pays and those of us who don't can live devoid of it. I will say this, don't pay the user tax and then use the system, I hope the penalties for such when caught are extremely harsh as IMO they should be. [/QUOTE]
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