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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 2286014" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Again, You dont know what you are talking about.</p><p></p><p>Reagan reduced federal income and for the first time in our nations history, he took our national debt to over 3.7 TRILLION dollars because of his TAX CUTS. He was forced to raise taxes on the middle class to try and stop the bleeding, including passing a social security act that he RIPPED off to pay for his war machine and was never paid back.</p><p></p><p>His growth was in a different time and place in our country. He started the exodus of jobs overseas and across our borders and here we are 35 years later and PAYING for it with less than 3% growth because we NO LONGER MAKE ANYTHING.</p><p></p><p>We will NEVER be able to MATCH the growth rates of previous points in history with all of our industry and manufacturing overseas.</p><p></p><p>Herbert Hoover cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy into a depression, Ronald Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy into a deep recession that extended itself into GHW BUSH's term. GW BUSH cut taxes for the rich and almost drove this country into another DEPRESSION while taking the national debt to 11.1 TRILLION dollars on the day he left and leaving another 6.1 TRILLION dollars on the desk of the new president but spread over the next 10 years.</p><p></p><p>To YOU, you simply look at the debt and assign it to OBAMA not knowing where that debt occured. It seems pointless to explain it to you, because, like the others that play on this board, they fail to realize it as well because they dont understand it.</p><p></p><p>Like YOU, they believe that TAX CUTS are FREE and there is no consequence for them.</p><p></p><p>Three times, this has been tried, and three times the nation was brought to its knees, and yet, a guy like you thinks 4 times a charm.</p><p></p><p>While you simply repeat the "trickle down theory" in your paragraph, you fail to comprehend that it doesnt work they way it sounds.</p><p></p><p>If you are saying you would take the Reagan economy over the Clinton economy of the 90's, then Id have to say you are simply on drugs.</p><p></p><p>Remember this, the days of the mom and pops shops are OVER. The large box stores have put them ALL out of business, so small start up stores is a thing of the past.</p><p></p><p>Almost all of our industries are overseas in third world nations, and as long as that remains, there can be no sustained middle class.</p><p></p><p>As a whole, we make nothing as a country, but we made it that way. We wanted cheaper crap because thats what the republicans in congress over the last 40 years have told us, so now we have cheap stuff, but no jobs to pay for them. You cant have it both ways.</p><p></p><p>Republicans like DRUMPF are telling you that immigrants are taking away american jobs, but what they dont tell you is how they continue to increase the number of guest workers into this country to take those jobs by the tens of thousands every year, yet you would still vote for them.</p><p></p><p>We will NEVER see 4% to 5% growth for decades to come with service industry and fast food jobs. In order to see that kind of growth, we would have to build things, make clothes, machinery, shoes, pencils, paper products, furniture, lawn mowers, washers and dryers, home appliances and such, and today we make NONE OF THAT.</p><p></p><p>So, how you think, that cutting taxes for the rich will create these jobs is laughable at best. Corporations are not leaving the country to avoid taxes, they are avoiding PEOPLE LIKE YOU, and your GIRLFRIEND by taking their companies to third world nations that use slave labor.</p><p></p><p>ITS THE LABOR COSTS they are avoiding , not taxes. You could make the tax rate for business ZERO % and they STILL WOULDNT come back. If you believe they would, then again, you dont know squat about business.</p><p></p><p>You hop onto the bandwagon, believing the same crap that has failed in the past, and want to give it another go just because they put another rich guy up there to tell you it works.</p><p></p><p>But I ask you this question:</p><p></p><p>If tax cuts for the rich creates jobs in the USA, why then, did Donald DRUMPF take the BUSH tax cuts for the first 8 years, and then accept them after the extention for 10 more years, and still take his products to MEXICO, CHINA and BANGLADESH to have made for retail stores in the USA????</p><p></p><p>Answer that one.</p><p></p><p>TOS.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 2286014, member: 17969"] Again, You dont know what you are talking about. Reagan reduced federal income and for the first time in our nations history, he took our national debt to over 3.7 TRILLION dollars because of his TAX CUTS. He was forced to raise taxes on the middle class to try and stop the bleeding, including passing a social security act that he RIPPED off to pay for his war machine and was never paid back. His growth was in a different time and place in our country. He started the exodus of jobs overseas and across our borders and here we are 35 years later and PAYING for it with less than 3% growth because we NO LONGER MAKE ANYTHING. We will NEVER be able to MATCH the growth rates of previous points in history with all of our industry and manufacturing overseas. Herbert Hoover cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy into a depression, Ronald Reagan cut taxes for the rich and crashed the economy into a deep recession that extended itself into GHW BUSH's term. GW BUSH cut taxes for the rich and almost drove this country into another DEPRESSION while taking the national debt to 11.1 TRILLION dollars on the day he left and leaving another 6.1 TRILLION dollars on the desk of the new president but spread over the next 10 years. To YOU, you simply look at the debt and assign it to OBAMA not knowing where that debt occured. It seems pointless to explain it to you, because, like the others that play on this board, they fail to realize it as well because they dont understand it. Like YOU, they believe that TAX CUTS are FREE and there is no consequence for them. Three times, this has been tried, and three times the nation was brought to its knees, and yet, a guy like you thinks 4 times a charm. While you simply repeat the "trickle down theory" in your paragraph, you fail to comprehend that it doesnt work they way it sounds. If you are saying you would take the Reagan economy over the Clinton economy of the 90's, then Id have to say you are simply on drugs. Remember this, the days of the mom and pops shops are OVER. The large box stores have put them ALL out of business, so small start up stores is a thing of the past. Almost all of our industries are overseas in third world nations, and as long as that remains, there can be no sustained middle class. As a whole, we make nothing as a country, but we made it that way. We wanted cheaper crap because thats what the republicans in congress over the last 40 years have told us, so now we have cheap stuff, but no jobs to pay for them. You cant have it both ways. Republicans like DRUMPF are telling you that immigrants are taking away american jobs, but what they dont tell you is how they continue to increase the number of guest workers into this country to take those jobs by the tens of thousands every year, yet you would still vote for them. We will NEVER see 4% to 5% growth for decades to come with service industry and fast food jobs. In order to see that kind of growth, we would have to build things, make clothes, machinery, shoes, pencils, paper products, furniture, lawn mowers, washers and dryers, home appliances and such, and today we make NONE OF THAT. So, how you think, that cutting taxes for the rich will create these jobs is laughable at best. Corporations are not leaving the country to avoid taxes, they are avoiding PEOPLE LIKE YOU, and your GIRLFRIEND by taking their companies to third world nations that use slave labor. ITS THE LABOR COSTS they are avoiding , not taxes. You could make the tax rate for business ZERO % and they STILL WOULDNT come back. If you believe they would, then again, you dont know squat about business. You hop onto the bandwagon, believing the same crap that has failed in the past, and want to give it another go just because they put another rich guy up there to tell you it works. But I ask you this question: If tax cuts for the rich creates jobs in the USA, why then, did Donald DRUMPF take the BUSH tax cuts for the first 8 years, and then accept them after the extention for 10 more years, and still take his products to MEXICO, CHINA and BANGLADESH to have made for retail stores in the USA???? Answer that one. TOS. [/QUOTE]
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