Trying to keep my job

UnconTROLLed

perfection
You don't think that his drug use couldn't cost him another job? Why do you keep responding to the first part of his post then? Have you been indulging?

I personally think that you should be able to do anything you want, but the penalties need to be stiff, if it infringes on other people's rights. None of this he wasn't in his right mind, so give them a light sentence crap. This is the land of the free, after all.
I'm not getting into whether drug use is right or wrong, but to say "marijuana is as addictive as any other drug" is not true. It's probably less addictive than cigarettes. Nevermind opiates! Can we be realistic? I would be willing to put money on it and there is probably scientific data to back it up.

The OP could easily quit smoking POT if people can overcome much more harmful and addictive things...
 

clean hairy

Well-Known Member
The missing details keep appearing.
He or she refers to a comment made to a helper and got turned in for a drug test.
Then, we find out the comment was about blowing off the job to go buy drugs.
This person then tells us they paid their cell phone bill on the clock, and had been terminated previously.
Would have been nice to have ALL the facts in the original post.
Give all the facts in the first post, makes me wonder what other details are still missing?
 

ArcherUTR

Well-Known Member
Your logic mobile is off too. I never said it was as addictive, just that they respondent agreed that it was addictive, by their wording.

But the logical equation that you are defending is that it "is as addictive..."

That is a math equation that I don't believe to be true, and most doctors would agree.
 

BigUnionGuy

Got the T-Shirt
I was made to take a reasonable suspicion drug test for a comment I made to a helper. I honestly don't expect to pass it.

Ok.

My ba says that what the company did is ok and that that part of the contract is apparently irrelevant in my case. He says that the union will not even fight on my behalf.

If you are officially "discharged" and file a grievance to protest it....

Your Local Union has to process it, and make a reasonable attempt at defending you.

Can I request a panel hearing on my own?

No.

Your Local would schedule the process.

I did have a steward sit in and say absolutely not one word.

What did you expect them to say ?

The steward might have been overwhelmed....

And did not want to say anything, that could jeopardize your case.

I would never do this to my friends but if one person merely saying that another mentions drugs is enough to warrant a test, I could shut the preload down, i know for a fact that probably 15 of the 40 employs we have on preload smoke weed.

Would you do it.... to get your job back ?

I expect that I will be positive for weed.

I will not pass drug test.

Never thought I would be asked to take a drug test. But I will fail for weed

I've not been a model employee I'll admit, I have been a good employee

Ok.

I have been fired several times in the past

Because I smoked a joint with a friend on Saturday night before the test on Monday, (actually I was with a fellow upser) I'm an addict? How many of you stone throwers are on a prescribed narcotic? Probably taken during work hours. I was not high on the clock, nor have I ever been. All these posts about the harms of weed, blah blah blah. Yes I lost my job for weed but I don't feel like I'm some addict that needs help, I do t see anything wrong with it, it's illegal, you got me there but I don't regret it from a morale standpoint, yes I regret losing my job but I don't think I'm some horrible addict that is a danger t society.


And that, is denial.... in it's finest form.

Don't ever discuss your personal life around anyone at UPS, joking or not, and especially not around management.



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HEFFERNAN

Huge Member
I'm not getting into whether drug use is right or wrong, but to say "marijuana is as addictive as any other drug" is not true. It's probably less addictive than cigarettes. Nevermind opiates! Can we be realistic? I would be willing to put money on it and there is probably scientific data to back it up.

The OP could easily quit smoking POT if people can overcome much more harmful and addictive things...
But the logical equation that you are defending is that it "is as addictive..."

That is a math equation that I don't believe to be true, and most doctors would agree.
right here...

"Also, Marijuana is as addicting as any other drug. Don't be fooled and don't let this drug cost you another job."

Marijuana is a drug. It is classified as that and is treated as such.
Alcohol and cigarettes are drugs but regulated for people of a certain age.
Marijuana may one day be regulated but don't treat it less.

As for my post on addiction, you have to be kidding me that you do not think marijuana is addicting.
There are plenty documented cases of music artists, NBA and NFL players that can't put it down.
You know what else is addicting : Online porn, Credit Cards, Shopping
Just because YOU think heroin and opiates are worse doesn't mean that MJ, porn, and credit cards don't ruin more lives.
The OP didn't say he was in a car with second hand smoke.
The OP didn't say he tried it last weekend for the first time and got popped.
Marijuana + Addiction = Loss of Job Opportunity
 

HEFFERNAN

Huge Member
You are out of touch, saying marijuana is as addictive as heroin. That was my point and my only point. I am not trying to change your mind on anything. It's a bit weird that comment sparked so many others. :p
I said marijuana was addictive (PERIOD)

I didn't post a chart of what I thought was more or less
 

upschuck

Well-Known Member
But the logical equation that you are defending is that it "is as addictive..."

That is a math equation that I don't believe to be true, and most doctors would agree.
No, I'm defending that it is addictive, not that it is as addictive as cocaine and heroin, but with the rising potency of the stuff, if may soon be up there.
 

UPS4Life

Well-Known Member
One of the first thought that came to mind with this. Don't tell the person you're driving around working with you're on heroin to do this job. Somebody driving me around says they're on drugs I don't want them driving me around.

I'm not saying I would run to management and say he said he's on heroin I won't ride with him but I'd find a way around it saying I'm not going with him again


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ArcherUTR

Well-Known Member
Hey maybe we can all agree that marijuana has medicinal purposes but is also can be psychologically addictive?

And then we can stop derailing this thread.
 

BrownBrokeDown

Well-Known Member
Marijuana has no physical addiction, there is no physical response to stopping it.

Marijuana can be mentally addicting, as people can get used to that euphoric feeling and feel that they need it all the time. This especially worse for depressed people or people already with addiction tendacies.

Marijuana has many uses, though. It can be effective for counteracting Bipolar episodes, and is safer than the prescription drugs. It is useful for counteracting chemo reactions. Trust me, from family experience, the drugs they prescribe for the chemo nausea are worthless.

As someone that has smoked weed in the past, cigarettes are more addicting than weed. Those damn headaches when you try to quit cold turkey is a bitch, and my wife says i turn in to an ass too.

There was a couple of cases in the SE, which i can't locate now for some reason, where older people, in 50's 60's, started smoking again. They were used to the 1960's weed like tijuana gold, and were smoking hydro grown modern strains, which has about 100 times more thc. The problem was they were smoking fast, and large qty's. They had reactions due to the amount of thc they put in their bodies in such a short.

All this being said, you have a $100,000 and are risking it by smoking...
 

JustAnumber1

Well-Known Member
There are so many replies that I don't know which one to address. But Ive told the entire story. As far as using my phone for navigation, i was an rtd driver, only on the road from end of October till Christmas which of course I didn't make it that long. It was not a regular route that I've ran for years, it was a fairly new area to me, I think my second week in that particular area, sorry for not knowing every street. As far as using a map, well maybe it's different in different areas of the country but trying to find a map for the smaller towns, rural areas where I live is like trying to find a dinosaur, they no longer exist. So I use my phone for navigation. I was fired on the 15th, for theft of time because I paid my phone bill. I realize now that I should not have made any comment about drugs at all but it was intended to be a humorous statement, I was expressing how frustrating the job can be. My helper apparently was a very religious person and took offense to my comment. I wouldn't want to ride around with someone who is on drugs either, but just because I don't share the same sense of humor with someone else doesn't lead me to believe they are impaired in some way. I was asking for opinions, help for my particular situation. Some of you have tried to help and I sincerely appreciate it, even if the hole I've dug is insurmountable. To those that have labeled me a drug addict that doesn't deserve my job, well, your comments are much less appreciated and I think you're naive at best, I assure you many of your coworkers, people you respect and think do a good job, would be in the same situation I'm in if they were asked to take a drug test. I knew this conversation would go this way, more responses about the evils of weed than input as to how I may save my job. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I for one do not catorgorize marijauna to be as dangerous as the many painkillers that are being taken during work hours by many drivers. I smoked weed on a Saturday night, off the clock, in the comfort of a friends home. I regret losing my job over it, I regret my situation but I do not blame the evil weed. I accept my decision to smoke weed has cost me my job, but I blame ups, had I been impaired on the clock then I would not even bother trying to fight for my job but I wasnt, I smoked off the clock, on my own time, in a safe place. Again, I was completely sober Monday morning when I reported to work, how many drivers reported to work Monday morning feeling like crap because they were drunk all weekend? Yet they get a pass. My ba even said if I had alcohol in my system he could fight it, I could get into rehab, yet because I have the remnants of a drug I used 2 days prior to the test in my system I have no chance of keeping my job. I understand that's the law, that's corporate policy, but that's ludicrous just the same. I would feel much safer riding with someone that smoked a joint last weekend then I would riding with a driver who had spent all weekend drinking and reported to work with a hangover.
 

clean hairy

Well-Known Member
Lesson to all.
When you meet a stranger, be it a helper or a person socially, get to know them first, with generic general conversation.
Imagine how this could have turned out if the Helper had been a retired Cop making a bit of extra Holiday cash!
Losing a job would be the least of the problems the op would have!
 
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