UAW

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Dfigtree, Dec 12, 2008.

  1. Dfigtree

    Dfigtree New Member

    I don't understand what the UAW has done to its membership by not reaching an agreement with the United States Senate. Is it a "hurt you hurt me" situation? Are the workers' jobs at Chrysler and GM now in jeopardy instead of their salaries and benefits?

    I know there is a lot to this story. Can someone please elaborate?
     
  2. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    And this has what to do with UPS discussions?
     
  3. mattwtrs

    mattwtrs Retired Senior Member

    I think he is looking for help from some of his friends here on BC. We have a lot of experts here you know!
     
  4. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    IMO ..........Typical union B.S. They'll ride the company to destruction rather than give in a little.....idiots !
     
  5. dilligaf

    dilligaf IN VINO VERITAS

    LMAO
     
  6. rod

    rod retired and happy

    I don't know if it is "typical" at all. How many times have you heard of union members taking wage consessions to keep their company from going bankrupt only to have it announced a few days later that the lard :censored2: big wigs got a multi-million dollar bonus. I agree that the UAW has some VERY nice contracts that probably allow for concessions BUT EVERYONE from the CEO on down should make them- not just Union workers. This sounds more like "typical" management" B.S. :angry:
     
  7. sendagain

    sendagain Member

    When you have no money you are out of work. To think you can keep being paid a salary that has bankrupted your company is lunacy. If you don't adapt, you will disappear.
     
  8. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    The Republicans to Americans....****** you...Almost a trillion dollars is spent bailing out Wall Street, but $14 billion to help American workers and save an entire industry and its related businesses is meaningless to Senate Republicans.
    Uaw has responded this morning with a dramatic press conference, and has layed the facts on the table.......Your opinion states your refusal for workers to have a voice in the auto industry. Your lack of knowledge of concessions already conceded is obvious. The UAW is on third base with concessions while management has not even been ask to the ball park. Republican Senators are obsessed and are bent on busting the UAW and organized labor at any and all sacrifies. Transparentcy is surfacing in exposing these Rupblican Senators as anti-union and anti-Detriot piss-ants. Who cares, lets just throw more logs on the fire affecting millions of more job losses. FYI...Toyota workers are compensated and have as good a pay package, if not more, than UAW workers.
    Can someone get the figures for how much tax payer money has gone to foreign car companies in Republican run states to entice them to build plants there - and how much do they get in tax breaks - I’m sure it comes to 10 times what the Big 3 are looking for.
    Ironically, nearly all of foreign auto makers are in red states. These same states are anti-union as well. Where are all these flag waving Ford, Chevy all-american republicans now ? Probably want to move this to current events :wink2:
     
  9. rod

    rod retired and happy


    Give em hell diesel---they deserve it:gun_banda:taz::2guns:
     
  10. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    "FYI...Toyota workers are compensated and have as good a pay package, if not more, than UAW workers. "

    Yeah, but if you look at total compensation packages, Toyota is somewhere around $48-$50 an hour and the big 3 are around $78 an hour. Big difference !!

    I think the union pres. will be out of a job shortly unless the "W" rides in to save the day with an emer. rescue.

    Unions were once needed.....no longer the case.
     
  11. upssalesguy

    upssalesguy UPS Defender

    $60 an hour. to do a relativly easy, skilless job.

    yeah, that is a problem.
     
    Last edited: Dec 12, 2008
  12. But Benefits Are Great!

    But Benefits Are Great! Just Words On A Screen

    "...The Republicans to Americans....****** you...Almost a trillion dollars is spent bailing out Wall Street, but $14 billion to help American workers and save an entire industry and its related businesses is meaningless to Senate Republicans...."


    No disrespect intended, please, but go back to reading the comics, the ones with big pictures.

    You are comparing apples and hand grenades -

    One, money spent on wall street was to help keep the United States' financial process from completely collapsing, affecting every person on the planet (I disagree that it should have been done, by the way).

    Whereas the bailout of the auto industry will never, ever, EVER have a chance of succeeding as long as there is a union involved. The unions got them in the mess they are in, no WAY a bailout will happen with a union still present. You'll never hear a politician SAY that, but thems the facts.
     
  13. Dfigtree

    Dfigtree New Member


    You're kidding, right?
     
  14. Channahon

    Channahon New Member

    I had a chance to read the plans the Big 3 brought back with them the second time around as to how they are going to cut expenses to be more profitable. GM announced 401K match suspended until further notice, no more tuition reimbusement, or adoption assistance, to name a few.

    Now the UAW did agree to reduce the hourly wage for a "new hire" from over $19 an hour, to about $15 an hour. How accomodating of the union, however, when does anyone think they would be a "new hire" in the auto industry?
     
  15. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    Diesel is dead on. Plus he touched on the incentives given to the foreign automakers by,wouldn`t you know it,the same senators who now hold the fate of helping the American auto industry in their hands. No hypocrisy or conflicting interest there. Plus if the car makers go bankrupt or out of business the hit the stock market will take will lose that 14 billion anyway in less than a weeks time.
     
  16. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Continental airlines has filed bankruptcy twice.......they are doing OK. Bankruptcy doesn't have to be a death sentence.
     
  17. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    But then again your not asking people to spend $30k on an airline ticket that you expect to get use out of for five to ten years either.
     
  18. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    It sounds like the White House is working on a plan for the automakers to tap into the money that has been promised the banks.

    Comments from Honda and Toyota have been to the effect that bailing out the big 3 is imperative. If the big 3 go under, so do many of their suppliers. If they file bankruptcy, who will give them a line of credit to come out of chap. 11. Plus, if creditors are limited to what they can collect, who will supply many of the big 3. Suppliers say that the big 3 typically go out 90+ days paying invoices. That leaves a ton of suppliers on the hook for a ton of money.

    This all stems from the idiotic way the bank bailouts were handled. It was sold to most, that reverse auctions would be held to buy the bad paper out on the market. At the last minute, someone decided that writing checks would work best. Shockingly, it did not.

    Sound Money on NPR has some of the most informative stories on the whole thing. Many of the past episodes can be listened to on from their website.

    TB
     
  19. Creeper head

    Creeper head New Member

    ("FYI...Toyota workers are compensated and have as good a pay package, if not more, than UAW workers. "

    Yeah, but if you look at total compensation packages, Toyota is somewhere around $48-$50 an hour and the big 3 are around $78 an hour. Big difference !!

    I think the union pres. will be out of a job shortly unless the "W" rides in to save the day with an emer. rescue.
    Unions were once needed.....no longer the case)


    IF they break the union what do you think ups will try to do next? Is ups a skilled job? It kinda like the auto workers most ups drivers climbed up the latter with not collage degree. You all know how ups would love to get rid of the union and pay the drivers much less. So how much does our package come out to be? With all over benefits.

    They say next year is going to be real hard on the delivery company's, ups is looking to lay off lots of workers. Just a thought of what you guys think how is will affect ups employees
     
  20. kingOFchester

    kingOFchester Well-Known Member

    Where is Michael Moore? He has all the answers!!
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