Union rips off Part-Timers?

[705red]

+1 Over and over and over.

The Teamsters state that everyone is represented equally. Hogwash. The part timers are used as cannon fodder, pawns, to negotiate issues for the full time drivers.

There are those here that say "well, then, the part-timers should vote more, make their feelings known" which is also a lousy argument - those just starting out part time do not have the experience & knowledge of those that have been union members for years. You want to tout your brotherhood? Help those under your own wing that don't understand the process, and support them, even though the help you give the part timer does not help you at all.

The fact that the starting wage for part timers is the same as it was TWO DECADES AGO, and the benefits now kick in much later, I defy anyone to argue how the "Union Brothers" have helped the little guy, the newbies, the part timers.

It is an embarrassment that that the teamsters refuse to see this. 705, you state that all is well because, contractually, the starting wage is just a minimum, and UPS can raise that number at any time. This is factually correct. Also factually correct is that the contract does not prohibit UPS from hiring hookers every Friday afternoon (OK, union hookers) for "stress relief purposes", but I don't see that happening either.

+1 Billion



Alternatively, you can throw the horse under a bus, cook it up, serve it to the full timers with french fries. Tastes like chicken.

Every single one that I have been aware of.

Now answer mine - Why hasn't the union pushed for a fair starting wage for part timers for the past two decades?

I'm sure, as a Union Steward, you are very good, very effective, and your work is appreciated by those you represent. Sincerely.

As a person who debates on a forum, however, and I say this with respect, you are just not very good at it. I've seen it with your battles with others here - instead of answering questions, informing, enlightening, you get immediately frustrated & start calling people names. It is not good debate and, just an FYI, it gets very boring.

What is your mother's maiden name and birthday, by the way?

....wait - shouldn't we password protect this site? That way, someone from outside UPS can't come in here & learn of the existence of the Teamsters.

Here's your ass back.

And what ability do you have that allows you to judge how good someone is at what they do? Is it because you have failed in life at everything you have tried?

Now please re-read your posts in this topic. I have quoted them here for you, now hopefully you have your kids this weekend so they could read it back to you!

You ran off your mouth about the Teamsters not addressing the part time wages over the last 2 decades. I pointed out that you were WRONG! It was 97 when the wages were raised for part timers. It was 1982 when the UPS went to a two tier pay scale, part timers and full timers. That was approved by everyone that was working here in 1982. Your beef is with anyone that allowed this to happen then!!!!

Every contract that we have had has passed with a majority vote for it. There are a lot more part time employees then full time employees and every ballot gets sent to each members house. Now the fact is more full timers vote compared to part timers.

We are not talking about a secret handshake you maroon! A sup started this post saying that the union sells out part timers, when the fact of the matter is UPS treats the part timers far worse then the union ever could!!!

In 2002 the part timers received $1 more in raises then the full timers did over the 6 years. In 2008 every employee will receive the same bi-yearly raises part time and full time. There is no one else to blame but the people that have the power to vote on these issues.

How many meeting have you attended? You keep dodging this question!

Im willing to bet that you have more screen names on here then years of service with ups!!!!

 

[Catatonic]

A sup started this post saying that the union sells out part timers, when the fact of the matter is UPS treats the part timers far worse then the union ever could!!!

Nice spin on the original post red and as usual there is a touch of truth in what you say.
The point of the original post is that the Teamsters (of which you are a supervisor in their business) does not represent part-timers very well but then charge these part-timers a much higher percentage of their wages in the form of Initiation Fees and Union dues.

In the Teamsters the people who get paid the most by UPS have to pay the lowest percentage of their income in Teamster taxes.

A deplorable state of affairs in my opinion. Even the Republicans, with their total lack of concern for "the little guy' would not allow this "tax on the little guy" to be a higher percentage than the taxes on the Fat Cat Full-timers.

SAD, sad, sad state of affairs.

 

[jimstud]

In the Teamsters the people who get paid the most by UPS have to pay the lowest percentage of their income in Teamster taxes.
everybody pays the same percentage 3 times their hourly rate so do like every other stupidvisor and crawl back in your little hole after starting something that you are totally ignorgant on

 

[Catatonic]

In the Teamsters the people who get paid the most by UPS have to pay the lowest percentage of their income in Teamster taxes.
everybody pays the same percentage 3 times their hourly rate so do like every other stupidvisor and crawl back in your little hole after starting something that you are totally ignorgant on

That is my point - the part-timer works less than 1/2 the hours of a full-timer but their % is the same.
So you think that the US Government should tax the same percentage on their hourly rate with someone making $10,000 a year as the person making $70,000 a year. Obviously, that is the policy of the Teamsters!

Jimboy, you would make a poor Socialist ... or should I call you Rockafella?

In regard to the slur "stupidvisor", my grandson was here and he explained it to me. LOL

The key is that I am observing here (somewhat objectively and nothing to hide) and I saw all the lack of rights and disadvantages that Part-timers have and the regressive fees/dues charged part-timers. I think the stupid person is the one that observes this and doesn't perceive the disingenuous representation by the Teamsters and the basic wrongs here. JMO

 

[Dizzee]

everybody pays the same percentage 3 times their hourly rate so do like every other stupidvisor and crawl back in your little hole after starting something that you are totally ignorgant on

The Boston Brown Tufted Ignorgant.

 

[705red]

Nice spin on the original post red and as usual there is a touch of truth in what you say.
The point of the original post is that the Teamsters (of which you are a supervisor in their business) does not represent part-timers very well but then charge these part-timers a much higher percentage of their wages in the form of Initiation Fees and Union dues.

In the Teamsters the people who get paid the most by UPS have to pay the lowest percentage of their income in Teamster taxes.

A deplorable state of affairs in my opinion. Even the Republicans, with their total lack of concern for "the little guy' would not allow this "tax on the little guy" to be a higher percentage than the taxes on the Fat Cat Full-timers.

SAD, sad, sad state of affairs.

Hoax I think you have been out of the operations way to long?! The dues are 2 and a half times your pay rate. Someone making $10 an hour pays $25 a month while someone making $29 an hour pays more like $75. Are you in IE? Your math is a little fuzzy!

You were here during our contract and we (705) posted every proposal from ups and every one that we proposed. In none of these proposals did ups offer to raise the starting wage while in our we had starting pay higher. It was UPS that did not want to raise the starting pay!

Here part timers get the same representation then a full timer would. Remember my guy that was fired for stealing a phone? Twice? And I even went to his court dates? He was part time!

Maybe you can shed some light on why you as a supervisor would send part timers home on a daily basis before their guarantee and not pay them what they are guaranteed? Why would they need to get a steward involved?

 

[iowa boy]

Hoax I think you have been out of the operations way to long?! The dues are 2 and a half times your pay rate. Someone making $10 an hour pays $25 a month while someone making $29 an hour pays more like $75. Are you in IE? Your math is a little fuzzy!

You were here during our contract and we (705) posted every proposal from ups and every one that we proposed. In none of these proposals did ups offer to raise the starting wage while in our we had starting pay higher. It was UPS that did not want to raise the starting pay!



Remember 705, he is part of corporate, so he has been taught to use that 'fuzzy math'. j/k hoax, don't get mad.

But I do have a question for you Red,
Back when the national (not 705 or 710's contracts) wwas being negotiated, I don't recall any proposal from the Teamsters including an increase in the starting wage for part-timers. Was this included in the national negotiations or is was it just something 705 (710?) put in seperately?


not trying to be a smart a**, I really don't remember and was hoping you would know.

 

[Catatonic]

Hoax I think you have been out of the operations way to long?! The dues are 2 and a half times your pay rate. Someone making $10 an hour pays $25 a month while someone making $29 an hour pays more like $75. Are you in IE? Your math is a little fuzzy!

You were here during our contract and we (705) posted every proposal from ups and every one that we proposed. In none of these proposals did ups offer to raise the starting wage while in our we had starting pay higher. It was UPS that did not want to raise the starting pay!

Here part timers get the same representation then a full timer would. Remember my guy that was fired for stealing a phone? Twice? And I even went to his court dates? He was part time!

Maybe you can shed some light on why you as a supervisor would send part timers home on a daily basis before their guarantee and not pay them what they are guaranteed? Why would they need to get a steward involved?

My post stated that it was the same percentage for p/t & friend/t. 10/25 = .4 75/30 = .4. I will grant you that I could have made that clearer as to my intent that Union dues/fees are like taxes and it seemed like the less you made it should be a lower percentage. Messed that up so I'll give you that one. I did clear it up in a later post.

Contract negotiation are a two-way street. If the Teamsters asked for higher P/T wages, the "sharp pencils" would have come back with how much that would cost and where it would come out of (i.e. friend/T wages, benefits)

I never questioned your intent or integrity red ... just the structural goals and motives of the Teamster union.

 

[FAVREFAN]

I'm paying $65 per month in dues for a part-time job. 2.5 x hourly + $4 extra each month. Whatever. Part-timers should pay 1.5 x hourly.....full-timers should pay 3 x hourly or less for each.

 

[Catatonic]

I'm paying $65 per month in dues for a part-time job. 2.5 x hourly + $4 extra each month. Whatever. Part-timers should pay 1.5 x hourly.....full-timers should pay 3 x hourly or less for each.

Explained that much better than I did.

 

[705red]

Hoax I think you have been out of the operations way to long?! The dues are 2 and a half times your pay rate. Someone making $10 an hour pays $25 a month while someone making $29 an hour pays more like $75. Are you in IE? Your math is a little fuzzy!

You were here during our contract and we (705) posted every proposal from ups and every one that we proposed. In none of these proposals did ups offer to raise the starting wage while in our we had starting pay higher. It was UPS that did not want to raise the starting pay!



Remember 705, he is part of corporate, so he has been taught to use that 'fuzzy math'. j/k hoax, don't get mad.

But I do have a question for you Red,
Back when the national (not 705 or 710's contracts) wwas being negotiated, I don't recall any proposal from the Teamsters including an increase in the starting wage for part-timers. Was this included in the national negotiations or is was it just something 705 (710?) put in seperately?


not trying to be a smart a**, I really don't remember and was hoping you would know.

The online posting of proposals were just done by 705. The national wanted to keep everyone in the dark. I hope that 705 started something here and that the IBT will start posting all negotiations. Not to sure on what the national proposals were.

I'm paying $65 per month in dues for a part-time job. 2.5 x hourly + $4 extra each month. Whatever. Part-timers should pay 1.5 x hourly.....full-timers should pay 3 x hourly or less for each.

The $4 is the strike fund and each part timer pays $1 a week and full timers pay $2 a week. Now your $65 a month in dues is because you have been around a while and are making over $20 an hour.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

In the Teamsters the people who get paid the most by UPS have to pay the lowest percentage of their income in Teamster taxes.
everybody pays the same percentage 3 times their hourly rate so do like every other stupidvisor and crawl back in your little hole after starting something that you are totally ignorgant on

Uh, you may want to take a moment and do the math before you run off at the mouth.

Let's keep the numbers even to make the math easier:

PT makes $10/hr and works 20 hours a week.

20 hours/week for 4 weeks is $800

Union dues are 3 X hourly once a month.

3 X $10 = $30.

$30/$800 = .0375 which is 3.75%

FT makes $30/hour and works 40 hours a week.

40 hours/week for 4 weeks is $4800

3 X $30 = $90

$90/$4800 = .01875 which is 1.875% or 1/2 of the PT 3.75%

I agree with JF that the multiplier for FT and PT should not be the same.

Looks like Big John Studd needs a math refresher.

 

[Catatonic]

Let's keep the numbers even to make the math easier:

PT makes $10/hr and works 20 hours a week.

20 hours/week for 4 weeks is $800

Union dues are 3 X hourly once a month.

3 X $10 = $30.

$30/$800 = .0375 which is 3.75%

FT makes $30/hour and works 40 hours a week.

40 hours/week for 4 weeks is $4800

3 X $30 = $90

$90/$4800 = .01875 which is 1.875% or 1/2 of the PT 3.75%

An even more in depth and even better explanation than FAVREFAN provided.

Thanks to you both for doing a much better explanation than I did.

Looks like JIMSTUD wants to keep the wool pulled over the part-timers eyes. Yeahhhh ... take that sucka!

jk jimstud ... I realized you were actually the one that was ignorgant <sic>.

 

[jimstud]

the part timers get the same benefit package as i do so by your math they should get only half the health insurance and don't forget most of us started part time.

 

[Catatonic]

the part timers get the same benefit package as i do so by your math they should get only half the health insurance and don't forget most of us started part time.

I believe UPS pays for the Part-timers benefits ... the Teamsters administer it.
The dues and fees do not contribute to the part-timer benefits.

 

[jimstud]

they have those benefits because of a contract negotiated by the teamsters not out of the goodness of ups heart. to coin a ups phrase they have to LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE do the part time {which sucks been there done that ] then go full time

 

[Catatonic]

they have those benefits because of a contract negotiated by the teamsters

Could have been better if the Teamsters weren't looking out mainly for the full-timers!

This has been an enjoyable thread (for me) with a lot of back and forth. Oh well, back to work tomorrow.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

the part timers get the same benefit package as i do so by your math they should get only half the health insurance and don't forget most of us started part time.

Health insurance isn't the issue--the issue is dues and your assertion that we all pay the same percentage, which has been proven to be false.

Granted, lowering the multipier from 3 down to 2 or even 1.5 isn't that much difference per week but does add up over the course of a year.

 

[jimstud]

It seems to me the P/T get absolutely screwed by the Union and the Union does nothing but give away everything related to the part-timers to take care of the Full-timers.

Which might be okay but then the P/T get ripped off for Initiation Fee ~$400) and monthly dues (~$35) for nothing.

As a Part-timer, do you feel like you get your money's worth?

Also, please feel in the blanks to correct or give perspective to my observations.

you are right ny issue was not health ins. the issue was that part timers were screwed by the union which they are not.

 

[705red]

you are right ny issue was not health ins. the issue was that part timers were screwed by the union which they are not.

Brother Jim do not worry about it. You have 1 sup putting in his two cents who has been out of the operation for some time (this is not a slam hoax) and two wanna be sups putting in there two cents. And I can almost guarantee that my 6 year old son has been to more monthly teamster meetings then them two combined.

If the part timers were really getting screwed wouldn't they have revolted by now?

If an employee was sent home and a sup did his/her job who would stand up for themselves first? A full timer or part timer?

Who would allow a sup to work in front of them more? a full timer or part timer?