UNION?

[CJinx]

If not for that pesky RLA....

and the slacktivists that want it, but aren't willing to put in the work to make it possible.

 

[bbsam]

and the slacktivists that want it, but aren't willing to put in the work to make it possible.

...and the damn Teamsters who won't do it for them!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

...and the damn Teamsters who won't do it for them!

Make it worth our while financially....

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I go off of what I am told and that is what he told me.

I really find that hard to believe---even our most rural routes have pickups.

 

[It will be fine]

...and the damn Teamsters who won't do it for them!

Just you wait. When those 4 freight terminals get Fred to cave and pay them more than UPS there'll be no stopping the runaway union train.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Just you wait. When those 4 freight terminals get Fred to cave and pay them more than UPS there'll be no stopping the runaway union train.

Yeah right.

 

[cosmo1]

I call BS on the no pickups.

You have a pretty narrow view of UPS operations, Dave. Not every building is the she as the BOG. We had rural routes with no pickups. Shoot, my last route had one, and AEPU with a sign in the window. I stopped maybe once a week.

 

[Cactus]

Don't care. 30 stops is not a full day.

It is when you deliver to some extended areas. Then let's talk about different commitment times unlike Ground's "whenever it gets there" commitment.

I couldn't imagine the whining I'd get if I sent them out with a full day of deliveries that weren't envelopes.

That's because the pay is so crappy.

 

[whenIgetthere]

I really find that hard to believe---even our most rural routes have pickups.

I don't have any regular pickups, I do get maybe 2 or 3 on calls a day, just the stops that close before the pick up route is on road.

 

[dezguy]

I really find that hard to believe---even our most rural routes have pickups.

Want me to get his cell number for you so you can ask yourself?

 

[MrFedEx]

and the slacktivists that want it, but aren't willing to put in the work to make it possible.

Are you a complete brick? How do employees organize nationally without a national organization? Grassroots efforts don't work against corporations willing to throw millions at killing a union. This means the IBT.

Really, are you that dumb?

 

[CJinx]

Are you a complete brick? How do employees organize nationally without a national organization? Grassroots efforts don't work against corporations willing to throw millions at killing a union. This means the IBT.

Really, are you that dumb?

Are you? You want a third party to assume all the risk and all the cost while you sit back, sign a card, and call it a day. There will be no union at Express as long as people like you maintain that attitude. Fred and the shareholders appreciate your inaction.

 

[Route 66]

I was going to go out and organize a union at Express today, but dammit wouldn't ya know - I left my millions of dollars in my other wallet.

 

[Rainman]

I call BS on the no pickups.

I run approximately 110-130 stops depending on dispatch with no pickups. It all depends on your delivery area. Where I am, a rural area, no one is shipping.

 

[MAKAVELI]

Are you? You want a third party to assume all the risk and all the cost while you sit back, sign a card, and call it a day. There will be no union at Express as long as people like you maintain that attitude. Fred and the shareholders appreciate your inaction.

It's a shared risk by both union and employees. You cannot have a successful organizing campaign without either. The union provides resources, direction and organizing such a campaign. The employees help garner support from coworkers and must be willing to endure the harassment and intimidation that FedEx would put forth. Do you think Freight would be organizing right now with no support from the Teamsters?

 

[It will be fine]

It's a shared risk by both union and employees. You cannot have a successful organizing campaign without either. The union provides resources, direction and organizing such a campaign. The employees help garner support from coworkers and must be willing to endure the harassment and intimidation that FedEx would put forth. Do you think Freight would be organizing right now with no support from the Teamsters?

It's a good thing the teamsters always existed.

 

[MrFedEx]

Are you? You want a third party to assume all the risk and all the cost while you sit back, sign a card, and call it a day. There will be no union at Express as long as people like you maintain that attitude. Fred and the shareholders appreciate your inaction.

The union enjoys dues paying members if they win elections. Fred has made it impossible for a non-IBT assisted Express to organize. He has the RLA, the Express Carrier Exemption, and an army of politicians in his back pocket. Fred handles it much in the manner of WalMart, where anti-union action against employees is the order of the day. Guess what WalMart does when the NLRB rules against it? They ignore the ruling and do business as usual.

Smith operates the same way. Despite the official corporate line that "we are not against unions in any way", it's obvious that Fred holds all the cards in a game which we cannot win, unless a third party gets off it's collective ass, decides that it wants to be a player instead of a passive observer, and gain some membership by mounting a national organization movement.

Your viewpoint is ridiculous because it assumes there is a level playing field and that Mr. Smith is playing by the rules. He makes the rules, he's the referee, and he owns the team and the league officials. There is no "game" until the IBT decides they want to compete.

 

[MrFedEx]

It's a good thing the teamsters always existed.

UPS invited the Teamsters to organize it's employees. If you don't believe me, do a little research on the history of UPS. Actually, the Teamsters gained their greatest power when the imbalance between the haves and have-nots was at it's zenith. Pretty much like now, except that the corporations have even more power and money.

 

[MAKAVELI]

It's a good thing the teamsters always existed.

A lot has changed in 100+ years . Try to keep up son.

 

[*****cleared*****]

It is when you deliver to some extended areas. Then let's talk about different commitment times unlike Ground's "whenever it gets there" commitment.

At my station anything after 10:30 is "whenever it gets there"