Unions are bad!!!
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thedownhillEXPRESS
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Duh, if ground and express were both able to unionize without having the deck stacked against them by a billionaire and his bought off politicians, we all sure would have better working conditions, wages, retirement , healthcare etc......
Ricochet1a
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Just look at a couple of posters here, and you'll get your answer.
chargerlou
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I could only pray that we could all have the courage to unionize!!!
Ricochet1a
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I bashed my head against that wall in 2009-10. Organizing will never happen in Express. The bar has been raised too high, and there are just too damn many that are either afraid, or content with the way things are.
For those who didn't read my post many months ago addressing this topic... the options were:
Leave, Organize or Bendover.
This was prior to the latest change to the administrative rules of RLA organizing. Now it is:
Leave or Bendover.
Right now, you are becoming very accustomed to being bent over for Fred's enrichment. Your only other option is to make an exit plan and implement it when the opportunity presents itself.
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chargerlou
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im with you lets not give up!!
If an employee is currently getting good OT he'd better hang on as long as possible. Things may change drastically, but he should ride the OT train until it stops. And I suspect there are plenty of employees who'd be tickled to only work 35 hrs a week. Could look their spouse in the eye and honestly say better to hang out all afternoon to do a pickup rt than to get a job at Burger King that requires more hours for less money. It's been my experience that most FedEx couriers aren't college educated. The ones who are tend to be slackers who are content punching a clock. My sister worked fulltime while going to school at night, makes $65k in a nice office setting now. Most couriers I know, myself included, run off to do things they enjoy after clocking out. Hanging out with their buds, drinking beer, fishing, watching tv, shopping for the ladies, you name it. And when corporations attack, so to speak, we're the ones who get run over. It's a proud tradition, and frankly I get a little irritated that my chosen lifestyle gets compared to prison romance.
Ricochet1a
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...frankly I get a little irritated that my chosen lifestyle gets compared to prison romance.
If you can come up with a better evaluation of the options faced by Express wage employees, go ahead and post it.
You stated it yourself, your sister has a career that gets her $65k/yr, you get what, maybe $42k/yr with OT (both excluding the value of benefits)? What is the real value of what you do for Express?
I don't know what else one would call it, when they are working for an employer and only getting compensated at roughly 2/3rds what they should be...
I think being "bentover" by your employer sums up the situation rather well - afterall, you're getting screwed, its not to your liking, and I don't think you are giving advance "consent" to the screwing...
Leave, organize or bendover. Those were the options available to Express employees. Now the organize option has been effectively eliminated.
As far as the prison analogy (you started it, I'll continue its use...), inmates tend to form "gangs" for self protection, to prevent from being taken to the showers as individuals by those more powerful than them.
What can the "inmates" of Express do to prevent themselves from being taken to the showers as individuals by those who are more powerful than them???
Unions may not be gangs, but they do serve to protect those who don't have power as individuals, from those who do have power.
Lighten up Nancy, it was a joke...
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
He should do so cautiously. If he hogs too much of it he risks drawing a little too much attention to himself and making his route a target.
MrFedEx
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Please quote directly from the FedEx Propaganda Handbook. If you don't, I'm going to tell MT3 you are "off-message" and encouraging discontent among the hourlies. How much do they pay you? They could do way better. Maybe they can outsource your shill position to India and save a few rupees.
The reason anyone posts is their own concern...if you dont like or cant handle what they are saying you can leave just as easily as anyone else. Just FYI, its the little red button in the upper right hand corner of the screen with a big "X" (or for mac users the red circle in the upper left). Click it and see what it does...its like magic.
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
I don't really care either way, I just wanted to know if he posts from a "Wow, I have something to add" perspective or a "He said something, so I guess I have to say something now" perspective. When he says that the published shipping volumes are just my opinion, well, I think I know where he's coming from
LTFedExer
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Go cruise the UPS's 'Labor Relations' section of this forum. If you think going union will solve all your problems, more power to you. I'm not necessarily anti-union, just not the IBT.
I make more than $42k/yr without OT (based on 40hrs/wk), and I'm not topped out. I guess it depends on which market your in.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Are you asking MFE or moreluck?
2011 made just over $42k with OT and selling back 2 weeks of vacation. I'm at 13 years, 7 months since rehired, lowest payscale.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
I don't really care either way, I just wanted to know if he posts from a "Wow, I have something to add" perspective or a "He said something, so I guess I have to say something now" perspective. When he says that the published shipping volumes are just my opinion, well, I think I know where he's coming from
What I have to say is that you are on the FedEx payroll as a "misinformation specialist". I'm here to expose you for what you are...a fake.
