UPS Castration of Drivers or Just Low Testosterone?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by InsideUPS, Jan 18, 2013.

  1. InsideUPS

    InsideUPS Active Member

    Is it just me or has anyone else noticed how UPS seems to have "castrated" many of our drivers? Whether by design or simply years of "wear and tear", I have noticed a significant increase in the number of drivers that no longer seem to have any spirit to defend themselves... Through telematics, video surveillance, etc., many drivers have been driven into "survival mode". It makes me sick to see grown men unable to stand up for themselves at work in a variety of "harassing" situations.

    As evident in the preliminary contract proposals, the IBT seems to be taking the issue of harassment very seriously. Reducing routes and increasing stops per package car is forcing drivers into "no win" situations...or at least into conditions which safety is compromised. (Thanks in part to SurePost) Discharge warning letters and hearings are at an all time high. NOTE: In my opinion, the most effective method to combat harassment and unrealistic production demands is through UNITY and following the existing contract language. If for example, EVERY driver were to call in for assistance for over 70lb. packages, the centers would "get the message" that enough is enough. The problem is that we have the never ending "New Young Runner Driver mentality vs. the Veteran Seasoned driver with experience". It seems impossible to educate the "young runners" that it really is in their best interest to be "safe" and know that they have a "marathon" ahead of them.

    So....in summary... while it is natural for testosterone levels to decrease with age........don't let UPS hang "your testosterone producers" up on a wall some where..... hold on to them and use what testosterone you have left to combat "corporate mentality". Stay UNITED and continue to educate the young drivers the difference between Marathons and Sprints. A 30 year retirement at UPS is most definitely a Marathon..

    P.S. For our Estrogen producing Drivers....... please ignore this post. The POWER of Estrogen has already been exemplified by Julie Mayer......the UPS driver who is legally taking on UPS due to her pregnancy.. (see NEWS thread)
     
  2. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    It might be.... Lead the way.... Don't whine about it here.
     
  3. LongTimeComing

    LongTimeComing Air Ops Pro

    I completely understand, support, and agree with defending yourself to terrible management...but championing this "Us VS Them" mentality will only continue to perpetuate the situation. Understand that you work WITH UPS, not against them, and everybody has to answer to somebody.
     
  4. wgf46

    wgf46 Member

    Management has created the "Us" versus "Them" mentality, they are setting that tone, don't be confused or mislead about that. I'm sure there are a few good Center Managers that do work in the real world and form a good team working environment for their centers drivers. But, my first sentence holds true in a lot of centers being dictated from management probably above the center manager. Treat people right and with respect, and they will give you more than an honest days work.
     
  5. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    And how many years do you have in?

    You might see an old dog but I say you might be looking at a dog smart enough to get old.
     
  6. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    It's a medical condition it's called low T. What a joke those commercials are. Might as well just say its a medical condition called getting older.
     
  7. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    Doing your job and not letting management get to you isn't a sign of low testosterone, it's called playing the game, and the game is a long one. The guys with high testosterone are also generally the ones that mess up, mixing emotions when dealing with management, causing them to screw up somewhere along the way allowing management a reason to boot you.
     
  8. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    We have a problem with old runners where I'm at to go along with the young ones.
     
  9. Dracula

    Dracula Package Car is cake compared to this...

    I wouldn't tie it in with the big T. It's more of a lack of backbone and simple stupidity, really.
     
  10. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    I just checked and I still have my frank and beans.
     
  11. hellfire

    hellfire no one considers UPS people."real" Teamsters.-BUG

    alot of these troll posts lately from 'new' posters
     
  12. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member


    Teamsters are lining up their "digital" thugs in preparation for contract talks.
     
  13. DS

    DS Fenderbender

    I didn't see it that way.He had plenty of good points regarding management,and the
    tactics they use to intimidate people .I didn't get the testosterone aspect,but thought
    it was a good post.I'm a 23 yr driver,and some of the crap they are coming up with
    is actually starting to get to me.I'd rather have 30 stops over my max than the pressure
    of being back and punched out by 19:00.Leave me alone and let me do my job.
     
  14. DS

    DS Fenderbender

    I question who the real thugsters are.
    I envy you soooo much for finally getting out.
    I actually got stressed out today trying to follow instructions.
    I forgot to deliver a pkg.I never do that.It was missed.
    My crystal ball lost it's internet connection,and didn't predict
    the wet snow and the affected traffic conditions and at least 2
    :censored2: off customers.I don't get it.Trying to save the $15.00 OT
    I'd get by waiting 10 minutes to p/u 13 Express pkgs worth
    $80,000 going to Mcdonnell Douglas (weather radar components)
    to insure I'd be back and punched out by 19:00
    I do not work efficiently under these conditions.
    Sorry for the rant.I'll be right back after I kill myself.
    BTW I punched out at 19:06...my bad
     
  15. browniehound

    browniehound Well-Known Member

    The only way I would call for help on an over 70 is if I really needed it. I would exhaust all other options (ask the customers for help, etc.) before calling for help and it has nothing to do with UPS management. I wouldn't do it because it would screw my fellow driver who is already screwed with a 10 hour day from UPS. How could I ask him for another 30 minutes of his time?

    Who wants to get that call everyday? You have to drive across town to help a driver with an over 70 that he could easily roll on to a two wheeler and push through a door. I certainly don't.

    I'm not sure I like this language in the contract.
     
  16. SAFETY FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i DONT care if it takes me 2 hours to help somebody with an overweight!! !U.P.S. should have came up with a plan for the over weights before they snuck it in to the contract!!
     
  17. alwaysoverallowed

    alwaysoverallowed Active Member

    I had my breaking point tonight with ups. Long story short I waited 15 mins for a check bw 425 and 440. I told them I have other pick ups and businesses to del sorry you'll get it on Monday. Got a message to go back I said I didn't have time. Got another saying I had to and to be "nice." I replied with "No fire me." another driver came and got the package I punched out at 9 was told I would be paid for my lunch ( not counting on it ) f'em this isn't the only place hiring now.
     
  18. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    It's not their fault.
    It's either they harass, or are shown the door.
    If it's not your manager harassing, it'll be another when the door re-opens.
     
  19. Jackburton

    Jackburton Gone Fish'n

    This is an example of emotions playing into the demise of a career.
     
  20. Ms.PacMan

    Ms.PacMan Well-Known Member

    The overweight version of Tragedy by the Bee Gees

    Here I sit
    In a lost and lonely part of town
    Held in time
    In a world of fears I take it down
    Goinhome
    I just can't take it all alone
    I really should be twice as strong
    Twice as strong
    Movin on movin on

    Gravity
    When your backbone's gone and you can't go on
    It's gravity
    When the day is done and it weighs a ton
    It's hard to bear
    With no one to help you you're
    Goin nowhere

    Gravity