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Can you bid on layoff jobs?
UPS CFO announces layoffs in 09
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Can you bid on layoff jobs?
busterbrownlady
Active Member
So are we talking managers first? I know its getting extremely sticky in the bham area. They have said 3 managers in out district will go. Plus we are getting raked over the coals for 9.5. Threating or jobs over it.
cachsux
Wah
Probably someone low enough to not get a good bid otherwise. Go ahead rebid a layoff position,get a taste. As soon as someone is brought back and I have seen a layoff as short as a week that person will only take it back. Mgmt has enough on their hands with out an idea like that.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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I was responding to the poster who suggested that all jobs should be rebid if we have layoffs. I agree what you have said 100% and with what Lifer said.
I would most certainly hope layoffs would not reach the point where I would have to be concerned about my job.
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westsideworma
Guest
hmm that will be interesting
UPS Lifer
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I hope that layoffs don't happen and certainly not to the extent that there will be a large amount of UPSers laid off!
I will keep all of you in my thoughts and prayers as we move forward into January.
Back in the day.... we never worried about being laid off. One of the many positive things about working at UPS.
I will keep all of you in my thoughts and prayers as we move forward into January.
Back in the day.... we never worried about being laid off. One of the many positive things about working at UPS.
There will be some management eliminated through the consolidation of Districts and Regions. This is usually done through retirement and transfer. The real "layoff" will come through the elimination of drivers. If the volume goes down 10%, drivers will be reduced 10%, and so will partimers. If you think this means you will run the current number of routes, and have a lower dispatch you are sadly mistaken.
Here is another one for the rumor mill. 3rd hand but makes sense. one center close by will possibly be looking to downsize in January from 80+ cars daily to 50-something cars a day. In a way i can see it, January is usually a slow month, but will probably be slower then normal. But again, this is 3rd hand chatter. How long that will last, I guess depends on volume.
PS. Got the word this week that this will most likely be the first year in a long time we haven't used rentals for peak. this came direct.
PS. Got the word this week that this will most likely be the first year in a long time we haven't used rentals for peak. this came direct.
paidslave
Well-Known Member
Wait if your Oil cronies stay in washington what happens to the rest of Oil dependent companies...You'll see......All the bonuses will be mailed USPS straight to Alaska...Priority mail.....
Go BARRACK!
paidslave
Well-Known Member
Thank the Republicons and EXXON for your troubles! Sarah wants another pipe line for her Sovereign state of Alaska for a bigger bonus for her citizens. OIL prices will skyrocket out of control if she heads the Country as VP!!!!!.......It is a guarantee she would cry to see oil prices come down like most Alaskans and Texans......
Thank GOD for Israel...bunch of CROOKS here in the states>>>Anybody remember ENRON?
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705red
Browncafe Steward
I heard late this week that come january if ups's predictions stay as is, we will lay off 400 drivers in the chicago area.
We have drivers now working the preload just to get hours and have not hired any seasonal help at all, also have sevearl drivers that didnt make it through progression sent back before reaching seniority because the work is not here.
Heres an idea! Stop working us 10, 11, 12 hours a day and put the FFFFFFINg routes in!
paidslave
Well-Known Member
705red
Browncafe Steward
This is no time to point fingers and blame anyone. The economy is in the crapper, people are losing jobs and i for one never ever thought our jobs would ever be eliminated. If this doesn't turn around soon we could be faced with some tough decisions, i do not like to see anyone lose a job, management union whatever.
The truth is none of us can replace this job that we have with the pay, retirement and benefits, we complain about the long hours and the workload, but my family has a roof over their heads and the bills are getting paid with food on the table. Thank god i have some seniority!
The truth is none of us can replace this job that we have with the pay, retirement and benefits, we complain about the long hours and the workload, but my family has a roof over their heads and the bills are getting paid with food on the table. Thank god i have some seniority!
paidslave
Well-Known Member
I have a plan....With all the technology we can now make all full time management jobs part timers. Cut the pay to 8 bucks an hour spit shift. 2 hours in the morning and 2 hours for turn in. This would be a permanent part time management position with the opportunity to go driving if the drivers like ya.. We would elliminate wastful spending that doesn't get the packages to the paying customers. This would reinforce our bottom line and the drivers earning revenue for the company would have a job! WE can write ourselves up when we miss a scan and slap each other on the wrist....or have a recorded message waiting for us in the cafe at the coffee machine.....who needs a manager for missed scans? Again this is Wastefulll spending...Ups would save millions on all the management bonus plan.....Have the EDD prompt us on Vacation picks......we need a manager for this? Management duties would include for the 2 hours in the morning working with the safety chaiman. 2 hours in the pm making sure management doesn't do UNION work and make sure the clerks are answering the phones on 1 or 2 rings! No punn intended, we need to cut out the pork! Management can golf on their own time all day not companys bottom line!
Economics 101
Just think TIEGUY is making over 250k yearly this would be almost 5 drivers keeping their positions!
Go BARRACK!
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negrosangre
Well-Known Member
Maybe a few tieguys go away, or take pay cuts, or get the sales guys to get more business and we could keep driving (maybe not as many hours) until the economy comes back. I don't know. We didn't make the business go away but we seem to be the ones paying the price.
UPS Lifer
Well-Known Member
The company is driven by PICK UP volume. If your area has more pu volume than delivery volume you can bet your sweet
there will be plenty of drivers to make those pus. Without pick up volume the routes will be consolidated big time. Remember - the delivery cycle starts when the package is picked up.
negrosangre - Many of people just like you do not really understand how business works.... not just UPS. This is the way a smart business runs. You have to be as efficient as possible. It is unfortunate that sometimes there are people who get into the cross fire but their job becomes a liability instead of an asset.
Years ago - I was on the bubble of a layoff. In LA UPS owned a company called "Red Arrow" that delivered our missorts at $30 a pop. My manager thought it was cheaper to let me deliver the missorts at $8/hr rather than laying me off. OH! I also had an assigned daily PU route that could not be cut out!
Pick up volume will drive the lay offs at each center. These layoffs will vary at each center with the reduction in pick up volume.
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