Ups contract update

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by ikoi62, Jul 29, 2013.

  1. ikoi62

    ikoi62 Member

  2. cosmo1

    cosmo1 Just another internet hooligan.

    Well, there you have it.
     
  3. sortaisle

    sortaisle Livin the cardboard dream

    Welp...there you have it. I hope they enlighten us to the tune of "exactly like your own plan in every way except administered by the union instead of UPS."
     
  4. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    When its a choice of a health care plan administered by UPS vs union its like a choice of getting screwed clockwise vs counterclockwise.
     
  5. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    You know you can always chose not to accept the healthcare benefit and self insure? I'm sure you could get a much better option on your own!!

    P.S. when you find it please be so kind as to share it with all of us here so we can all jump on it!!
     
  6. UPSMAINST

    UPSMAINST New Member

  7. quamba 638

    quamba 638 Member

    Maybe they should have "educated" us more to begin with instead of doing this not 90 dollar, 9 dollar, 9 cent dog and pony show.
     
  8. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Of course the TDU has everything positive to say.

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    Faulty Cause and Effect: This technique suggests that because B follows A, A must cause B. Remember, just because two events or two sets of data are related does not necessarily mean that one caused the other to happen. It is important to evaluate data carefully before jumping to a wrong conclusion.[/QUOTE]
     
  9. Benben

    Benben Active Member

    The IBT just said, "screw you, we will do what we want to and you have no say in anything" to every UPS worker!
     
  10. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Of course you see that. It's funny how people can see what is already fixed in their heads. You ask to be informed then hate the response.
     
  11. Benben

    Benben Active Member

    That letter wasn't information

    IT WAS A THREAT!
     
  12. stink219

    stink219 Well-Known Member

    Once again:
    Of course you see that. It's funny how people can see what is already fixed in their heads. You ask to be informed then hate the response.


    Did you hear,"or else you'll be sorry!!"?
     
  13. Benben

    Benben Active Member

    Gonna have a beer and relax a bit then re-read the letter. Maybe after fighting all day with a horrible load, horrible traffic and an ugly spit I am misreading the letter.
     
  14. East coast navy

    East coast navy Veteran

    [/QUOTE]
    I don't think you got what they were saying because of your strong TDU bashing campaign. I'll put it in a different prospective for you. The west and 177 didn't like the idea of going into teamcare. So they spoke up and got a chance to find something better, which I'm hearing it sounds promising. The other spineless local BA's said lets push this threw and wanted to throw 177 and the west to the wolfs for making deals. Then changed their minds when 177 and the west got what they wanted. So they were like we want to get into that. Can we get on broad with you guys. Well you voted to go into teamcare. Sorry, you are SOL. That would be the case if their members voted yes to their supplements. TDU is just pointing out that they are flip flopping because they didn't think the members would vote the supplements down. Can you blame them for using their members as bargaining chips.

    Also I voted yes to my local and no to the master because the healthcare is a master issue but if my local didn't have a plan to find a better plan then teamcare like the other spineless locals. I would have voted no too. I also will vote no to my local if the pension raise is not back on the table. So I see where the other local members are coming from. We make fun of people when they say I don't understand why the union can't do better for us. What do we say all the time? You should vote and make a difference. So now they are and what the hell. You guys don't know anything. This will never happen. Sounds hypocritical to me. If you told me or any one else I can see 17 locals shooting down their supplements. We would say that's crazy talk. So start using your imagination. Because it could be come reality.
     
    Last edited: Jul 29, 2013
  15. East coast navy

    East coast navy Veteran

    I had a good load today. The letter sucked.
     
  16. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    This makes no sense. So just because they are informing us we must like it?
     
  17. tourists24

    tourists24 Well-Known Member

    ya know... the membership passed the national agreement by a small margin... it passed but there is a lot of unrest... that is being ignored.... the international is taking a very risky step in choosing this route....
     
  18. AlwaysChafed

    AlwaysChafed Member

    So keep voting no?
     
  19. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Pretty much what was expected though. Wait everyone out. As far as I know we can't force a revote. So the IBT will take their sweet time and try to wait everyone out.

    I didn't really see any "update" in there either.
     
  20. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    I don't know why but the jist of what I got from that letter was "it doesn't matter if your'e unhappy its over" my question is. What are they going to do when riders keep getting voted down? I understand some may pass because people want there raise but not all 18. So honestly someone with some union knowledge tell me what happens then?