Ups contract update

[quamba 638]

"Unfortunately, until all of the supplements and riders have been approved, the wage increases, benefit increases..."


Wait, wait, benefit increases?

 

[tourists24]

I don't know why but the jist of what I got from that letter was "it doesn't matter if your'e unhappy its over" my question is. What are they going to do when riders keep getting voted down? I understand some may pass because people want there raise but not all 18. So honestly someone with some union knowledge tell me what happens then?

that's my point.... a lot of people are very unhappy and the international is basically saying "you don't know how good you got it", so if you don't wake up you are gonna be sorry.... a VERY dangerous strategy

 

[Benben]

Once again:
Of course you see that. It's funny how people can see what is already fixed in their heads. You ask to be informed then hate the response.


Did you hear,"or else you'll be sorry!!"?

No I heard an Ultimatum. "You won't be getting anything until you take what we give you.....and like it!"

 

[Coldworld]

there was talk that many votes didnt get picked up from the post office..is there any truth to this or was it a rumor. Im sure it is too late now but was there a way to include those votes into the final tally? Who picks up the votes from the post office anyway?

 

[RealPerson]

Say what?
If it is comparable under the current TA, then why are they working to make it comparable... LOL
We WANT the SAME......

"The International believes members will find that it is an excellent health care plan and that the benefits are comparable to those they had under the company plan"

"However, the National Negotiating Committee will be working with the TeamCare trustees and administration to make improvements in areas that members were most concerned with. In the end, this will make TeamCare a comparable plan to the UPS company plan"

"Because it was approved by the membership, it is a binding agreement that cannot and will not be re-opened. "


"Now that the new TeamCare plan has been ratified in the national agreement, the International will begin an effort to educate members on its basic features"

Educate the member, so people voted yes, without knowing what was in it???

 

[Jackofalltrades]

Once again:
Of course you see that. It's funny how people can see what is already fixed in their heads. You ask to be informed then hate the response.


Did you hear,"or else you'll be sorry!!"?

You have to at least admit that update kind of sounded condesending....

 

[Wally]

Say what?

"The International believes members will find that it is an excellent health care plan and that the benefits are comparable to those they had under the company plan"

They also thought Obamacare was a great idea, full supporting it before they wanted to kill it. Makes me worried.

 

[stink219]

Once again:
Of course you see that. It's funny how people can see what is already fixed in their heads. You ask to be informed then hate the response.


Did you hear,"or else you'll be sorry!!"?

You have to at least admit that update kind of sounded condesending....

Accurate emotional connection relies on facial expression, voice intonation, body language, and the sharing of metaphysical energy. The reading of emotions, even when face-to-face, requires practice and frequent checking to see if what you actually heard was meant correctly. Without that feedback, misunderstandings multiply exponentially, and assumptions can become truths before they are truly examined.

 

[AlwaysChafed]

"Because it was approved by the membership, it is a binding agreement that cannot and will not be re-opened. "


"Now that the new TeamCare plan has been ratified in the national agreement, the International will begin an effort to educate members on its basic features"

Educate the member, so people voted yes, without knowing what was in it???

I spread the word at two centers and it passed as a yes. Apparently I knew what was going on more than people with the company for 20+ years. Too late now...

 

[Inthegame]

there was talk that many votes didnt get picked up from the post office..is there any truth to this or was it a rumor. Im sure it is too late now but was there a way to include those votes into the final tally? Who picks up the votes from the post office anyway?

The pick up process is conducted under the supervision of the Election Officer, authorized by the court ordered consent decree, with TDU and independent observers present throughout all phases of the count. EVERY ballot at the post office is picked up. If ballots come in after the final pick up, they are not counted.

 

[kazranch]

and that's exactly what ups wants you to do!! find your own health care, such as the obamacare, do you realize how much money ups would save, and what are they doing to the retirees??!! all I can say is thanks a lot, I gave you my whole working life, and yes we have had very good Ins. but this is what you are going to do to us, now we have to pay, originally it has been $50. a month for retirees, who knows what its going to be with this new contract. if your planning on retiring any time soon you better do your homework!!

 

[quamba 638]

​Healthcare Flip-Flop at UPS | Teamsters for a Democratic Union

Of course the TDU has everything positive to say.

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You left out hasty generalization!
Wink.

 

[sortaisle]

ya know... the membership passed the national agreement by a small margin... it passed but there is a lot of unrest... that is being ignored.... the international is taking a very risky step in choosing this route....

I do believe the yes vote is binding since the union loves the 50%+1 win strategy. There would be legal ramifications if they reneged on the National by UPS. It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. But like I said before, I hope they wait till next year to figure out the contract so the retro check will be worth my while. I can live without the .70 for a bit.

 

[sortaisle]

and that's exactly what ups wants you to do!! find your own health care, such as the obamacare, do you realize how much money ups would save, and what are they doing to the retirees??!! all I can say is thanks a lot, I gave you my whole working life, and yes we have had very good Ins. but this is what you are going to do to us, now we have to pay, originally it has been $50. a month for retirees, who knows what its going to be with this new contract. if your planning on retiring any time soon you better do your homework!!

You can blame UPS all you want for being business savvy, but the real blame lies with Obama and the liberal left who thinks/thought this is such a great thing. It's the height of naivety to think that businesses wouldn't protect themselves or take financial advantage of Obamacare. UPS is dickish for doing this since they have a choice, but the almighty stock price dictates what the board does. I personally think executive business leadership is criminal and should be illegal. Only an owner should be able to make what they do. They put little to no skin in the game. Once Casey died, the ownership should have went to either the employees or sold to another person. There's no way Scott Davis is worth 25 times what a driver makes.

 

[Catatonic]

You can blame UPS all you want for being business savvy, but the real blame lies with Obama and the liberal left who thinks/thought this is such a great thing. It's the height of naivety to think that businesses wouldn't protect themselves or take financial advantage of Obamacare. UPS is dickish for doing this since they have a choice, but the almighty stock price dictates what the board does. I personally think executive business leadership is criminal and should be illegal. Only an owner should be able to make what they do. They put little to no skin in the game. Once Casey died, the ownership should have went to either the employees or sold to another person. There's no way Scott Davis is worth 25 times what a driver makes.

I was thinking maybe a 100 times but that's just me.

And what he actually makes! LOL

 

[Jackofalltrades]

Accurate emotional connection relies on facial expression, voice intonation, body language, and the sharing of metaphysical energy. The reading of emotions, even when face-to-face, requires practice and frequent checking to see if what you actually heard was meant correctly. Without that feedback, misunderstandings multiply exponentially, and assumptions can become truths before they are truly examined.

So I should basically stop reading books because I won't be able to gain an emotional connection to the authors words?

 

[Drink Craft Beer]

Like I said before, letting the thousands that are already on the teamster healthcare plan vote on whether the thousands on the UPS plan stay on that current plan was wrong. As you can see the healthcare is the biggest concern of many, but of course not a concern to those already under the teamster plan. They don't have to worry about possibly finding new doctors who will accept the new provider of coverage etc...

 

[stink219]

Accurate emotional connection relies on facial expression, voice intonation, body language, and the sharing of metaphysical energy. The reading of emotions, even when face-to-face, requires practice and frequent checking to see if what you actually heard was meant correctly. Without that feedback, misunderstandings multiply exponentially, and assumptions can become truths before they are truly examined.

So I should basically stop reading books because I won't be able to gain an emotional connection to the authors words?

Not at all. My point is that Two different people reading the same book might interpret the words completely different. Some might see the letter as just information. Others might see the letter as a complete slap in the face.

 

[brown_trousers]

I do believe the yes vote is binding since the union loves the 50%+1 win strategy. There would be legal ramifications if they reneged on the National by UPS. It's going to be interesting to see how it plays out. But like I said before, I hope they wait till next year to figure out the contract so the retro check will be worth my while. I can live without the .70 for a bit.

Its true that they should have aimed for more than a 51% vote. But after the voting takes place, the results must be honored. That is the whole basis of a democratic vote!

It would be a complete breakdown of the voting process if they could just reverse the results of a vote because they didnt like the outcome. If we feel that 51% is not adequate, we need to change the voting process to require a supermajority instead, but until we do make that change, we need to respect the majority vote on our TA and move forward with resolving supplement issues, not dwelling on the NMA issues that have already been passed

 

[Jackofalltrades]

Not at all. My point is that Two different people reading the same book might interpret the words completely different. Some might see the letter as just information. Others might see the letter as a complete slap in the face.

I don't think its a slap in the face. However it could have been written more tactfully. Especially when the objective is to bring our brotherhood together. Imo they're just giving tdu more ammo and that hurts our union because tdu is clearly trying to divide us.