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[Holydriver]

What should we be making per hour in your opinion if we didn't have this huge percentage decrease in our raises that you speak of?

I personally think 4 years to top rate is a big one. But even worse is the lack of any sick/personal/vacation days in the first year. I understand the idea of putting in your time to earn your keep, but for an employer that demands so much physically PLUS the excessively long hours, not allowing someone time off for a year is crazy.

Also, in a time when having insurance is a requirement in order to be a law abiding citizen, the fact that the company doesn't offer insurance for a year is outrageous. The two incentives to work are insurance and money, and the company doesn't offer insurance in a time when it's a legal requirement? That's ridiculous

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I personally think 4 years to top rate is a big one. But even worse is the lack of any sick/personal/vacation days in the first year. I understand the idea of putting in your time to earn your keep, but for an employer that demands so much physically PLUS the excessively long hours, not allowing someone time off for a year is crazy.

Also, in a time when having insurance is a requirement in order to be a law abiding citizen, the fact that the company doesn't offer insurance for a year is outrageous. The two incentives to work are insurance and money, and the company doesn't offer insurance in a time when it's a legal requirement? That's ridiculous

Many places don't offer insurance. One of the main reasons you have to wait so long for insurance is because people abused it.
They would get a part time job at UPS, get all of their medical stuff taken care of.... Then they would quit.

 

[Holydriver]

Many places don't offer insurance. One of the main reasons you have to wait so long for insurance is because people abused it.
They would get a part time job at UPS, get all of their medical stuff taken care of.... Then they would quit.

I figure that is a big part of it, but a 3 month probationary period seems a little more reasonable.

 

[oldngray]

Many places don't offer insurance. One of the main reasons you have to wait so long for insurance is because people abused it.
They would get a part time job at UPS, get all of their medical stuff taken care of.... Then they would quit.

Exactly the same reasons why Obamacare failed. People would wait until they needed to see a doctor before getting insurance then drop it when they no longer needed it.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I figure that is a big part of it, but a 3 month probationary period seems a little more reasonable.

I know it's a long time to wait but it's not going to change.

Got to keep your eye on the prize.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Exactly the same reasons why Obamacare failed. People would wait until they needed to see a doctor before getting insurance then drop it when they no longer needed it.

Another failure... Thank goodness he is almost out of here.

 

[By The Book]

I personally think 4 years to top rate is a big one. But even worse is the lack of any sick/personal/vacation days in the first year. I understand the idea of putting in your time to earn your keep, but for an employer that demands so much physically PLUS the excessively long hours, not allowing someone time off for a year is crazy.

Also, in a time when having insurance is a requirement in order to be a law abiding citizen, the fact that the company doesn't offer insurance for a year is outrageous. The two incentives to work are insurance and money, and the company doesn't offer insurance in a time when it's a legal requirement? That's ridiculous

I agree with you that 4 years to top rate is about 2 years too long. The hourly rates for a new driver have gone up in that time so there is some movement on wages there. As for it being even worse about the sick/personal/vacation days, I don't think many if any companies offer this to their part time employees.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I agree with you that 4 years to top rate is about 2 years too long. The hourly rates for a new driver have gone up in that time so there is some movement on wages there. As for it being even worse about the sick/personal/vacation days, I don't think many if any companies offer this to their part time employees.

Don't forget pension.

 

[ViewAskew]

Thank the yes voters.

Don't forget those who couldn't be burdened to vote, too.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

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Don't forget those who couldn't be burdened to vote, too.

I know. It's horrible what they make you do to vote. You have to place an X on two different ballots,then seal them in an envelope and walk it out to your mailbox.

No wonder nobody votes.

KMA

 

[Holydriver]

I agree with you that 4 years to top rate is about 2 years too long. The hourly rates for a new driver have gone up in that time so there is some movement on wages there. As for it being even worse about the sick/personal/vacation days, I don't think many if any companies offer this to their part time employees.

Maybe not part time, but this policy is for full time as well

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Maybe not part time, but this policy is for full time as well

They want the new workforce to be expendable.

 

[By The Book]

They want the new workforce to be expendable.

Ahhhh...........the Expendables!

 

[By The Book]

Maybe not part time, but this policy is for full time as well

Yes, you would be correct.......this coming from a 30 year member, who is also a steward. It's hard to watch the younger drivers do what I do for a whole lot less. How long with UPS for yourself and what do you do?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Ahhhh...........the Expendables!

That's what the shareholders want.

 

[By The Book]

That's what the shareholders want.

I'm sorry I got to thinking of the movie series.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I'm sorry I got to thinking of the movie series.

We are just a number. Nothing else matters anymore.

 

[Turdferguson]

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I know. It's horrible what they make you do to vote. You have to place an X on two different ballots,then seal them in an envelope and walk it out to your mailbox.

No wonder nobody votes.

KMA

Thanks for understanding

 

[Orion inc.]

There are only 15 employees which includes the owner. In feeling pretty safe. You should try experiencing this sort of life sometime. Take a week off and work at a job elsewhere that week just to get a feeling of the good life

Oh trust me, I have the good life. Been there , done that.


I'm set.

Better hope that small business never goes under.

 

[ArcherUTR]

UPS's goal is to divide us through wage, insurance, and paid time off progressions. Give the senioritied voting members mostly the status quo while taking bits and nibbles from the new guys. Once we are spread out, we will not be strong enough to make a stand.

The part time pay rate was and still is atrocious and is reflected in how many s are given about the packages.

Carry on.