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<blockquote data-quote="ezrider" data-source="post: 55450"><p>Sawman </p><p> </p><p>I agree with most everything that you and Feeders have posted so far and my hat is off to you both. It's one thing to educate yourself and others on something as broad of an issue that has such far reaching consequences for us all. It's another to have to shake so many free from the paradigms that help dig the hole deeper every day. I'd like to see a co-existence between the hourlies and management someday where our goals were more alligned with thiers. I doubt that could ever be realized with the Teamsters insisting that the company subsidize a plan that in fact flies in the face of that very principle. </p><p> </p><p>Establishing a consensus is worthwhile and by all means necessary in an undertaking of this magnitude, but summer of 2008 isn't all that far away. Getting a strong majority of the drivers to agree that paying the Hollywood divorce lawyer fees it's going to take to rid ourselves of the heroin addict CSPF and the rest of the "desperate housewives" multi-employer plans is only step 1 out of God knows how many roadblocks towards achieving a contract that could be fair to everyone from coast to coast. As much as I'd like to believe that the company would love to see us throw Hoffa and the rest of the dirty laundry out the door, I can't help but think that there's a pretty good chance they wouldn't mind going into the next round of negotiations against an opponent that's already whipped. If they can have drivers fighting a war against each other for control, then they are going to have an overwhelming advantage at the talks. Have you guys really talked with these lawyers about what kind of variance of scenarios there could be three years from now? </p><p> </p><p>I like the idea of APWA, but it's gonna have to be much more than a handful of drivers come contract time. If it's not about 90% APWA by January of 08 and the company smells divided ranks, what's to stop them from turning it into a turkey shoot?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ezrider, post: 55450"] Sawman I agree with most everything that you and Feeders have posted so far and my hat is off to you both. It's one thing to educate yourself and others on something as broad of an issue that has such far reaching consequences for us all. It's another to have to shake so many free from the paradigms that help dig the hole deeper every day. I'd like to see a co-existence between the hourlies and management someday where our goals were more alligned with thiers. I doubt that could ever be realized with the Teamsters insisting that the company subsidize a plan that in fact flies in the face of that very principle. Establishing a consensus is worthwhile and by all means necessary in an undertaking of this magnitude, but summer of 2008 isn't all that far away. Getting a strong majority of the drivers to agree that paying the Hollywood divorce lawyer fees it's going to take to rid ourselves of the heroin addict CSPF and the rest of the "desperate housewives" multi-employer plans is only step 1 out of God knows how many roadblocks towards achieving a contract that could be fair to everyone from coast to coast. As much as I'd like to believe that the company would love to see us throw Hoffa and the rest of the dirty laundry out the door, I can't help but think that there's a pretty good chance they wouldn't mind going into the next round of negotiations against an opponent that's already whipped. If they can have drivers fighting a war against each other for control, then they are going to have an overwhelming advantage at the talks. Have you guys really talked with these lawyers about what kind of variance of scenarios there could be three years from now? I like the idea of APWA, but it's gonna have to be much more than a handful of drivers come contract time. If it's not about 90% APWA by January of 08 and the company smells divided ranks, what's to stop them from turning it into a turkey shoot? [/QUOTE]
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