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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 55487"><p>Actually, I have heard the ratio stated worse, not a good thing.</p><p></p><p>The CS states 150,00 plus active participants and 206,00 plus retirees and surviving spouses.</p><p></p><p>Those stats would make the ratio 1:1.37, but regardless the trend will continue to excerbate the funds as more and more baby boomers retire.</p><p></p><p>And the only thing I have heard UPS trying to do is to shut down their responsibilities to the fund.</p><p></p><p>Now I understand their desire for this from their business standpoint, but frankly if they succeed that would be very detrimental to us and the fund.</p><p></p><p>I don't blame them for trying, I just hope they don't succeed as they haven't stated they will do anything to help us even if they do succeed.</p><p></p><p>Their move to skyrocket our medical premiums tells me they won't do anything to improve our future.</p><p></p><p>danny, that is a really bizarre story ya got there, but what that has to do with you not being happy with the realities of the pension fund is a bit hazy.</p><p></p><p>The fund never was designed to be a inheritance plan and the fact that there might be plans out there are designed to be inheritance plans has about as much to do with our already troubled fund that is having trouble keeping up with it's current commitments as the fact that I deserve to hit the MegaMillions.</p><p></p><p>That reminds me, I need to check Friday's ticket. </p><p></p><p>The pension is not an or like a 401k and doesn't have a cash value.</p><p></p><p>You are leaving that money in the pension fund whether you want to or not unless you live a long long time so just break down and buy some insurance if you have been napping on this issue.</p><p></p><p>I think you have a better head than that though and believe you have protected your kids and not left that up to UPS, the Teamsters and the Tooth Fairy.</p><p></p><p>Because the Tooth Fairy is your best shot between those three.</p><p></p><p>I think the difference here is I am talking about what is and you are talking about what you wish was.</p><p></p><p>Yours will be more popular because most people would rather talk about what should be than to recognize what is and be willing to get down in the trenches and try to make it different.</p><p></p><p>I think you may be an exception to that, but unfortunately that is the problem.</p><p></p><p>Too many mouths and not enough hands.</p><p></p><p>I personally would rather have experienced crooked thieves being monitored by the government (under the theory of "it takes a thief") than honest rookies when put up against UPS (under the theory of "it takes a thief") where my family's welfare is concerned.</p><p></p><p>Perhaps we can have the best of worlds though and have honest experienced representatives.</p><p></p><p>That goes back to the statement of "how could it be worse".</p><p></p><p>Ya donna wanna know.</p><p></p><p>I do like the new union's ten year qualification for any position.</p><p></p><p>That should eliminate most of the supervisors to be wannabees that use the union position as just another rung on the company ladder.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 55487"] Actually, I have heard the ratio stated worse, not a good thing. The CS states 150,00 plus active participants and 206,00 plus retirees and surviving spouses. Those stats would make the ratio 1:1.37, but regardless the trend will continue to excerbate the funds as more and more baby boomers retire. And the only thing I have heard UPS trying to do is to shut down their responsibilities to the fund. Now I understand their desire for this from their business standpoint, but frankly if they succeed that would be very detrimental to us and the fund. I don't blame them for trying, I just hope they don't succeed as they haven't stated they will do anything to help us even if they do succeed. Their move to skyrocket our medical premiums tells me they won't do anything to improve our future. danny, that is a really bizarre story ya got there, but what that has to do with you not being happy with the realities of the pension fund is a bit hazy. The fund never was designed to be a inheritance plan and the fact that there might be plans out there are designed to be inheritance plans has about as much to do with our already troubled fund that is having trouble keeping up with it's current commitments as the fact that I deserve to hit the MegaMillions. That reminds me, I need to check Friday's ticket. The pension is not an or like a 401k and doesn't have a cash value. You are leaving that money in the pension fund whether you want to or not unless you live a long long time so just break down and buy some insurance if you have been napping on this issue. I think you have a better head than that though and believe you have protected your kids and not left that up to UPS, the Teamsters and the Tooth Fairy. Because the Tooth Fairy is your best shot between those three. I think the difference here is I am talking about what is and you are talking about what you wish was. Yours will be more popular because most people would rather talk about what should be than to recognize what is and be willing to get down in the trenches and try to make it different. I think you may be an exception to that, but unfortunately that is the problem. Too many mouths and not enough hands. I personally would rather have experienced crooked thieves being monitored by the government (under the theory of "it takes a thief") than honest rookies when put up against UPS (under the theory of "it takes a thief") where my family's welfare is concerned. Perhaps we can have the best of worlds though and have honest experienced representatives. That goes back to the statement of "how could it be worse". Ya donna wanna know. I do like the new union's ten year qualification for any position. That should eliminate most of the supervisors to be wannabees that use the union position as just another rung on the company ladder. [/QUOTE]
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