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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 55497"><p>danny, you are getting lost, I never disagreed with what tie said regarding the ratios, just you talking like he just brought a new fact to the table. </p><p> </p><p>My disagreement is just the inference that this is a UPS issue only. </p><p> </p><p>It is affecting both single and multi-employer pensions across the country. </p><p> </p><p>And I would love to leave personalities out of it, but it is the first thing tie goes after. </p><p> </p><p>That you think it is unfair in some way that the pension plan is not an inheritance plan for those who started having kids late is an strange idea. </p><p> </p><p>Realize, you and I are in similar situations here, I have a daughter that just turned 18 in December and a 10 year old son. </p><p> </p><p>That is what life insurance is for. </p><p> </p><p>While I feel sorry for the older guys who don't get much, it is what they were promised waaay back in those times and the pension is no more a charity than UPS is. </p><p> </p><p>Actually it is, but not by much. </p><p> </p><p>For instance they do thirteenth checks and supplement the medical premium costs considerably from what they are currently charging those that retire now. </p><p> </p><p>So the guy worked for 37 years at what were probably good wages for the times and credits the union for this, his ability to work without getting fired and the conditions under what he worked as well as getting a pension, even as small as it is is still more than those who worked for non-union companies at the time got and you want to portray him as dumb. </p><p> </p><p>I disagree.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 55497"] danny, you are getting lost, I never disagreed with what tie said regarding the ratios, just you talking like he just brought a new fact to the table. My disagreement is just the inference that this is a UPS issue only. It is affecting both single and multi-employer pensions across the country. And I would love to leave personalities out of it, but it is the first thing tie goes after. That you think it is unfair in some way that the pension plan is not an inheritance plan for those who started having kids late is an strange idea. Realize, you and I are in similar situations here, I have a daughter that just turned 18 in December and a 10 year old son. That is what life insurance is for. While I feel sorry for the older guys who don't get much, it is what they were promised waaay back in those times and the pension is no more a charity than UPS is. Actually it is, but not by much. For instance they do thirteenth checks and supplement the medical premium costs considerably from what they are currently charging those that retire now. So the guy worked for 37 years at what were probably good wages for the times and credits the union for this, his ability to work without getting fired and the conditions under what he worked as well as getting a pension, even as small as it is is still more than those who worked for non-union companies at the time got and you want to portray him as dumb. I disagree. [/QUOTE]
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