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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 55505"><p>good ole tie, still only reading into stuff what you want to hear.</p><p></p><p>Disappointing, but not unexpected, no links huh?</p><p></p><p>"The company took a strike over the pension to save us"? That's a new one. </p><p></p><p>You play the fantasy leagues don't you.</p><p></p><p>Wonder why they were so pissed at us when we came back from that stupid strike.</p><p></p><p>Seems like they would have treated us poor misled employees with pity that they had failed to help us. </p><p></p><p>Not sure where you are twisting my words into the pension problem was created by UPS as I didn't say that.</p><p></p><p>What I have said is UPS was just as aware of the problem as the union and that I haven't seen any public (or private) actions geared towards helping UPS employees with this problem.</p><p></p><p>I have seen them screw the retirees by bumping the medical premiums to the sky if that is what you are referring to.</p><p></p><p>That is just a simple fact.</p><p></p><p>And while I try to not call you stupid everytime you try to twist my words it is irritating.</p><p></p><p>R E A D S L O W E R.</p><p></p><p>I voted FOR the '97 contract to GIVE UPS the pension, so kiss mine regarding "you give the old don't trust the company with our pension line".</p><p></p><p>Your statement that you are sorry is one I happen to agree with though.</p><p></p><p>I have criticized the Teamsters more proactively than you ever have.</p><p></p><p>I have organized petitions that included 90 plus percent of my centers multiple times in just the last five years and sent them all to the International.</p><p></p><p>I have sent multiple emails with my real name to Hoffa Jr protesting things the union does wrong (hell, I sent snail mail to Carey before him and McCarthy before him and Presser before him and Fitzsimmons before him) I never got off a letter to Williams as he went to jail too quickly. </p><p></p><p>I have led delegations to the local hall protesting past local jerks and sat at meetings being vilified by 100 fat slobs in master freight jackets with only two UPS brothers at my sides for speaking up about things "buster brown shouldn't put their noses in".</p><p></p><p>I turned down running on the last incumbent slate as the UPS "token" and telling them because they were a corrupt bunch of son of a b*tchs when they asked me why, which I imagine was one of the reasons the current union administration wanted me as steward as they are an honest bunch.</p><p></p><p>So don't tell me I don't hold the union accountable or criticize them because you don't know jack.</p><p></p><p>ups79, that is a very astute observation and a very definite possible direction UPS could go as that is a current corporate trend to dump existing defined benefit plans and switch to defined contribution plans such as a 401k as the only company supported pension plan.</p><p></p><p>If they legally pay their pulling out of the funds penalties or legistlate them away this is a very possible scenario and one the APWA should give serious consideration about in any wording regarding giving up future raises to help UPS finance pulling out of the existing pensions.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 55505"] good ole tie, still only reading into stuff what you want to hear. Disappointing, but not unexpected, no links huh? "The company took a strike over the pension to save us"? That's a new one. You play the fantasy leagues don't you. Wonder why they were so pissed at us when we came back from that stupid strike. Seems like they would have treated us poor misled employees with pity that they had failed to help us. Not sure where you are twisting my words into the pension problem was created by UPS as I didn't say that. What I have said is UPS was just as aware of the problem as the union and that I haven't seen any public (or private) actions geared towards helping UPS employees with this problem. I have seen them screw the retirees by bumping the medical premiums to the sky if that is what you are referring to. That is just a simple fact. And while I try to not call you stupid everytime you try to twist my words it is irritating. R E A D S L O W E R. I voted FOR the '97 contract to GIVE UPS the pension, so kiss mine regarding "you give the old don't trust the company with our pension line". Your statement that you are sorry is one I happen to agree with though. I have criticized the Teamsters more proactively than you ever have. I have organized petitions that included 90 plus percent of my centers multiple times in just the last five years and sent them all to the International. I have sent multiple emails with my real name to Hoffa Jr protesting things the union does wrong (hell, I sent snail mail to Carey before him and McCarthy before him and Presser before him and Fitzsimmons before him) I never got off a letter to Williams as he went to jail too quickly. I have led delegations to the local hall protesting past local jerks and sat at meetings being vilified by 100 fat slobs in master freight jackets with only two UPS brothers at my sides for speaking up about things "buster brown shouldn't put their noses in". I turned down running on the last incumbent slate as the UPS "token" and telling them because they were a corrupt bunch of son of a b*tchs when they asked me why, which I imagine was one of the reasons the current union administration wanted me as steward as they are an honest bunch. So don't tell me I don't hold the union accountable or criticize them because you don't know jack. ups79, that is a very astute observation and a very definite possible direction UPS could go as that is a current corporate trend to dump existing defined benefit plans and switch to defined contribution plans such as a 401k as the only company supported pension plan. If they legally pay their pulling out of the funds penalties or legistlate them away this is a very possible scenario and one the APWA should give serious consideration about in any wording regarding giving up future raises to help UPS finance pulling out of the existing pensions. [/QUOTE]
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