UPS Hourly Vs. Management

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  1. over9five

    over9five Guest

    heh heh heh......!
  2. mr_roboto

    mr_roboto Guest

    Editor's Note: The following remarks were delivered by William Rivers
    Pitt to the
    Greater Boston Labor Council's annual breakfast on September 1, 2003.

    Hard Talk On Labor Day
    By William Rivers Pitt
    t r u t h o u t | Perspective

    Monday 1 September 2003

    Did everyone have a nice weekend? Good. Thank a Union.

    I was tempted to come in here today and deliver a speech about how
    important unions have been to the development of this nation, and to me
    After all, I make my living as a writer. Before that, I made my living
    as a teacher. The
    bedrock abilities I need to do both those jobs were given to me by
    union teachers. A
    union member taught me to read. A union member taught me to write.
    Union members taught
    America to respect the rights and strengths of working people
    everywhere. I submit that
    an America with no union organization would be an America most citizens
    could not be
    able to recognize, an America most citizens would want nothing to do

    So, yeah, I thought about giving that speech. I figured it would
    be a home run
    ball. But then it struck me. First of all, you folks don't need to sit
    here and listen
    to someone wax poetic about the greatness of unions. You already know.
    Second of all,
    giving a speech like that, in this day and age, would be like sitting
    in the middle of a
    house fire talking about how warm and cozy we are. This house is on
    fire, and so today I
    want to talk to you about how we are going to stomp out those flames
    before they burn
    out everything that is important to us as citizens, and as a nation

    A man said, "On this Labor Day weekend, Americans pay tribute to
    the spirit of hard
    work and enterprise that has always made this nation strong. Every day,
    our workers go
    to factories and offices and farms and produce the world's finest goods
    and services.
    Their creativity and energy are the greatest advantage of the American

    What man said that? George W. Bush said that, on Saturday, from
    his ranch in
    Crawford Texas. Does anyone else appreciate the irony? This house is on
    fire, and George
    is sitting in the front yard with a great big flamethrower and a grin
    on his face. The
    history of unions has always been a story of the people versus the
    powerful, the worker
    versus the bosses, the folks scratching to keep the lights on at home
    versus the folks
    taking CEO salaries home that are so big they need a fleet of Brinks
    trucks to drive
    them, laughing, all the way to the bank.

    Some will argue that George W. Bush is a great leader. I would
    argue that he is a
    symbol, in more ways than one. As a leader he is literally symbolic, a
    Symbols are important. He is a symbol of what happens when workers stop
    believing that
    they have a say in their rights as workers. When that happens, guys
    like this find
    themselves able to run the show. And let's face it, ladies and
    gentlemen: The incredible
    mess this Iraq war is, and is turning into, is nothing more or less
    than a prime example
    of what you get when you put the boss' son in charge of the production

    It is all well and good for Mr. Bush to praise the greatness of
    the American
    worker. But it behooves us to look long and hard at how the American
    worker has fared
    under his administration, and to talk long and hard about what that
    record means to us,
    and to this country.

    So let's talk hard.

    The Bush administration has proposed changes to the Fair Labor
    Standards Act that
    would strip millions and millions of American workers of the ability to
    earn overtime
    pay for overtime work. In this ongoing recession - helped in no small
    part by a couple
    of Bush administration tax cuts that were basically multi-billion
    dollar thank-you notes
    to the corporations that funded Bush's 2000 campaign - in this on going
    recession, many
    many many American families depend on overtime pay to make ends meet.
    If the White House
    gets its way, that thin safety net will be gone.

    We shouldn't be surprised by this, by the cynical way Bush pats
    workers on the back
    with one hand while gutting their income with the other. This
    administration has made
    much of the need to support our troops in Iraq, something I am sure
    each and every
    person in this room agrees with. How, then, does this administration
    think it is
    supporting the troops by pushing a policy to cut hazard pay - overtime
    pay at the
    extreme definition - for our soldiers still under fire in Iraq?

    Such actions demonstrate a callousness of spirit that is as
    unpatriotic as anything
    I have ever heard of. When American workers and American soldiers are
    menaced by the
    economic policies of a sitting President, that sitting President should
    be made to
    stand, and walk, right out the White House door.

    Let's talk hard.

    Let's talk about the 11 million jobs lost in this country during
    the tenure of an
    administration that some maniacs decided to give Fast-Track treaty
    approval to. Jobs in
    automotive, aviation, computer, data-processing and
    software-programming, for starters,
    are sprinting overseas in an stampede of 'outsourcing' that will only
    be exacerbated by
    the Bush administration's love affair with concepts like the Free Trade
    Area of the
    Americas zone.

    I'm going to put my Wobbly hat on for a moment, and so I hope you
    will bear with
    me, because there are some old Wobbly ideas that deserve a second look
    in this brave new
    world. Those millions of outsourced jobs that union workers could be
    doing are leaving
    this country for one reason: Because the countries they are going to
    have no history of,
    nor protection for, collective bargaining to protect workers' rights
    and workers' wages.
    The companies that are outsourcing to China, to India, to Bangladesh,
    to the
    Philippines, are doing an end run around each and every one of us.

    It can be argued that the process of 'Economic Globalization' has
    been going on
    since the first Chinese trader met the first Indian merchant on the
    Silk Road and said,
    "Have I got a deal for you." It can be argued that globalization is
    especially given the incredible technological leaps forward we make,
    seemingly on an
    hourly basis. But if that globalization is allowed to continue without
    giving workers
    around the world the ability to unionize, to fight for a living wage,
    to strike for the
    right to improve their lot, workers here in America and around the
    world will reap the
    whirlwind, will find their backs broken at the expense of bosses who
    have been
    historically allergic to giving their employees the rights they so
    richly deserve.

    That, ladies and gentlemen, is what the Bush administration is
    symbolic of. They
    symbolize the repudiation of that right to collective bargaining that,
    simply put, made
    this country what it is today. They symbolize the stripping of your
    much-deserved power
    within this economy, for no other purpose than to empower the few over
    the many.

    Talking hard is dangerous, especially these days. As a nation we
    have, since
    September 11, been cautious and deferential about criticizing the
    actions and ideologies
    of the boys and girls in Washington. We've had to deal with the idea,
    evinced clearly by
    this administration, that to criticize is to be unpatriotic. We've been
    told, by none
    other than White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, to "Watch what we say."

    I submit that union men and women have earned the right to speak
    openly and
    strongly against the direction this country is headed. They earned that
    right with the
    blood and lives of the union men and women who charged headlong into
    two burning
    buildings two years ago. Union men and union women do their jobs. On
    that dark day,
    union men and union women spent their lives on the job, and they did it
    without a second
    thought or a hesitating step. Union men and women earned the right to
    speak their minds
    after their fallen brothers and sisters were used by the Bush
    administration as props in
    a photo-op, and then were shamefully slapped across the face by that

    Here's the news, America. 'Homeland Security' is not a bunch of
    guys in black suits
    and sunglasses. Homeland Security is cops, and fire fighters, and
    emergency medical
    teams, all the people who work every day to save lives. Homeland
    Security on September
    11 was union workers all, and those cops and fire fighters and EMTs
    have since had their
    funding eviscerated by an administration that took their pictures and
    then gave them the
    back of its hand.

    Oh, yes, ladies and gentlemen, the right to speak out has been
    earned here.

    Caution and deference have no place in this conversation anymore.
    We gave those
    people our caution and deference, and they have paid us back by
    steamrolling us. So
    enough of caution. Enough of deference. It is time to talk hard. If we
    can't speak the
    truth in the daylight, we will never be able to begin the process of
    changing that which
    desperately needs to be changed. Every great movement in history has
    begun with one
    thing: Words exchanged in truth between people of good conscience. So
    let us, as people
    of good conscience, exchange a few hard words in the hopes of beginning
    something whose
    time has come.

    A long time ago, a man named Benito Mussolini invented something
    called Fascism. In
    the time since, fascism has come to be defined by Nazis, by war, and by
    crimes against
    humanity that defy description. But when Mussolini invented fascism,
    those definitions
    had not yet established themselves. Mussolini, the inventor of fascism,
    defined it
    differently. "The first stage of fascism," said Mussolini, "should more
    appropriately be
    called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and Corporate

    Now, even with all my tough talk about hard words and doing away
    with caution, I am
    appropriately cautious about using so bloody a word in this setting.
    Well I should be.
    But I ask you: What do we have today if not the beginnings of the
    merging of state and
    corporate power? Even if you refuse to see our current situation
    through Mussolini's
    eyes, even if you refuse to use that hardest of words, the simple fact
    that the
    corporate world and the federal government are becoming one and the
    same is clear, and
    unavoidable. Is that merger complete in America? Certainly not. Are we
    headed in that
    direction? Lawyers use a Latin phrase: "Res ipsa loquitor." The thing
    speaks for itself.

    What will the place of unions be in such a world? Where are the
    rights of workers?

    I say unions and the rights of workers are and must continue to be
    at the forefront
    of a fight that is not new, but is now as desperate as it ever has
    been. There are
    millions and millions and millions of Americans who would join a union
    tomorrow if given
    the chance. We must fight to see that they are given that chance. A man
    staring down the
    barrel of a gun once said, "Don't mourn. Organize." We are staring down
    the barrel of a
    gun today, and if we don't organize, we're finished.

    I believe, at the end of the day, that America is an idea, a
    dream. You can take
    away our cities, our roads, our crops, our armies, you can take all of
    that away, and
    the idea that is America will still be there, as pure and great as
    anything conceived by
    the human mind. I believe the idea that is America stands as the last,
    best hope for
    this world. When used properly, it can work wonders.

    I believe that the idea, the dream, that is America was made
    possible by the men
    and women who lived and worked and died for the right of workers to
    stand collectively
    for themselves. The idea that is America would not exist without
    unions, period. We must
    make people understand that. A great, great many Americans are well
    aware that the folks
    running things today do not have their interests in mind, but instead
    serve the
    interests of entities that would see workers' rights ground to powder.

    That awareness is out there. We must make them aware that unions
    offer them the
    best possible chance to bring change, to turn back this tide, to bring
    us more fully
    towards the realization of that idea that is America. In your hands is
    the power to do
    these things. In your hands is the future of this great nation.

    The word 'Union' is synonymous with the word 'Work.' I say let us
    begin this work,
    let us begin it today, let us not stop, let us not tire. I say let us

    William Rivers Pitt is the Managing Editor of He is
    a New York Times
    and international best-selling author of three books - "War On Iraq,"
    available from
    Context Books, "The Greatest Sedition is Silence," available from Pluto
    Press, and "Our
    Flag, Too: The Paradox of Patriotism," available in August from Context
  3. franklintn

    franklintn Guest

    The Truth about
    by Doug Schmitz
    29 August 2003

    Introducing, an anti-Bush landfill that masquerades as a bastion of news credibility.

    When President Bush stepped onto the presidential landscape in 2000, the Left had only just started to show their true colors especially those on the extreme left-wing of the media, who prove daily to be further aiding and abetting our foreign enemies. Undeniably, Bush seems to have brought out the voracious fury of the Left in ways no other president has done since Ronald Reagan won the Cold War.

    Although leftist propaganda portals such as CNN, MSNBC, NPR, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and the San Francisco Chronicle, to mention a few, have done their part to advance the Lefts agenda, ultra-leftist extremists have already infiltrated the new media of cyberspace spewing out their caustic venom at the current administration.

    One of the Web sites that has morphed itself into a veritable Trojan horse arm of the extreme leftist media is an anti-Bush cyber landfill that masquerades as a bastion of news credibility. Not only does post exclusively pro-Democrat, Bush-hating articles and editorials they also boycott the views and opinions of both conservative Republicans and Libertarians.

    While claiming to represent America and purportedly seeking to get the truth out, conceals who they really are: A cornucopia of anti-American, anti-Semitic, pro-Palestine sedition. Its primary purpose: dumping extreme, Far Left rhetoric into its own little private black hole on the Internet to anyone and everyone desperate enough to read its acerbic pontifications.

    In fact, as an analysis, a quick glance at the articles posted on reveals its ultimate goal: to politically destroy the moral and ethical character of President Bush, while spitting on not only the graves of our brave soldiers, but also on American patriotism. Its anti-U.S., anti-war message speaks volumes about the treasonous corruption of the Far Left, who seems to care more about protecting our enemies than protecting our borders.

    Truthout.orgs associate editor, William Rivers Pitt, whose Web site seems to post only articles and editorials with a Far Left anti-Semitic and pro-Palestinian bent, has authored such leftist tomes as Our Flag, Too: The Paradox of Patriotism and War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesnt Want You To Know. The latter was written from an interview with Scott Ritter, a former Clinton Administration weapons inspector.

    In the book, Pitt and Ritter try to make the case that the U.S. and the rest of the world would have been better off if Saddam Hussein were still in power. These two Fifth columnists theorize that Saddam never actually posed a real threat to our national security at all especially since he supposedly destroyed all of his WMDs. (This is yet another trait of the Far Left: trusting a lying, murderous despot more than our president.)

    Moreover, Truthout.orgs home page reads like a Democratic Party billboard again, offering no point-counterpoint analysis; no balanced news articles; no proper substantiation for the outrageous claims these embittered Democrats have leveled against Bush and other prominent Republicans; and no honest or open discussions for Republicans or Libertarians who wish to debate them.

    In fact, a brief scan of on Aug. 11 alone yielded the following articles and editorials, expressing unconscionable angst toward Bush and our U.S. troops (who daily risk their lives to protect the freedom of speech that refuses to afford others):

    Soldiers Emails-Bring Us Home
    Family Shot Dead by Panicking US Troops
    Basra Protests Continue for Second Day
    Terror Group Seen as Back Inside Iraq
    Powells Battle Cry Fails Test of Time
    Depiction of Threat Outgrew Supporting Evidence
    Pentagon Office Home to Neo-Con Network
    Protest Groups Planning for Republican Convention
    The Niger Time Bomb
    Tongue-tied Arnie Takes Hits From Left and Right.
  4. feeder

    feeder Guest

    If I only new who invented the option to (cut and paste) items on internet pages, I would personally take him out to the pastures and shoot him!
  5. mr_roboto

    mr_roboto Guest

    i think it was Al Gore but don't quote me.

    "If I only new who invented the option to (cut and paste) items on internet pages, I would personally take him out to the pastures and shoot him!"
  6. kidlogic

    kidlogic Guest

    Feeder it was Tieguy ,but anti-matter already got him[​IMG] in the coffin
  7. antimatter

    antimatter Guest

    "Feeder it was Tieguy ,but anti-matter already got him in the coffin"

    Think of it as a public service.

  8. ups_vette

    ups_vette Guest

    I'm so confused...Who should I believe? The FAR LEFT....or the FAR RIGHT.

    Since they BOTH spin the truth to suite their own agenda, it makes my decsion easy. I believe neither one of them.

    The truth lies somewhere in the middle of these extreamist groups. Let them fight it out and the truth will prevail in the end.

    My only regret is that I was foolish enough to actually read both messages. A waste of space on this board and of my time.
  9. tieguy

    tieguy Guest

    Thats alright I got his old lady.
  10. antimatter

    antimatter Guest

    It won't work. I will not be drawn into one of your insult-fests. You will hear from me again when there is a topic worthy of my time. Or when you write something so stupid it is begging for my views.

  11. wkmac

    wkmac Guest

    Where in the freakin' world did this thread come from? JEEEEZZZZZZZZ!

  12. tieguy

    tieguy Guest

    Not a problem anti. I won't be dropping down to your level for a while. Don't forget to drag the brat with you when you crawl out the back door.
  13. antimatter

    antimatter Guest

    Tie, you must have been fun to work for.

    Hey, you have to be near 60 years old, right?

  14. tieguy

    tieguy Guest

    Hmmmm I think its a compliment. No not anywhere that old. I gotta give you credit your a worthy MB combatant. The graphic was awesome. Definitely a new touch in MB debate tactics.
  15. proups

    proups Guest

    wkmac: I agree!

    William Rivers Pitt is an idiot. The only jobs he sites going away due to the Bush administration appear to be jobs that would be occupied by non-union employees (unless he thinks they will organize)