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<blockquote data-quote="Sideline Sam" data-source="post: 77332" data-attributes="member: 4772"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Ive been reading along with many other silent, but interested, UPSers for the last week. I have finally decided to join this discussion. I dont plan on making too many friends, but I promise you I will tell the truth.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>First, TIEGUY, you have been very calm and made many good points. Often, your efforts have left very little room for argument. However, I dont like your passive-aggressive style. It has become tiresome. You are calm, but aim to jab smartly, often with condescension. Dont forget that many technicians have education levels that exceed that of the division staff in districts.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I have been a technician at UPS for over 10 years. I worked for UPS in other functions before entering TSG. I havent been happy with my job in many years. I have no sense of fulfillment. I have no sense of challenge. TSG is simply a job it could be picking up trash in the hub, or washing trucks in a center. I wish I could get excited about it, but I dont. And while I get no love at work, I am smitten with technology in general.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Would I like to trade my TSG job for those above definitely not. TSG is easy work. Ive never had a job in my life where I am paid as much to do as little. Dont get me wrong. I have stressful days when everything breaks and the CTSG page has a dead link for every topic I desperately need to view. Ive had HFCS down with division and hub managers breathing down my neck. I know those days. I also know the truth is that in my district the technicians dont have enough work to honestly make their PMT commitments. I dont know how they do, and I dont want to know. I just know it all works out weekly and monthly. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Not having enough work is not the technicians fault. I dont even know if I would put the responsibility on the supervision. Who says that technicians have to be active every second of the day well, apparently UPS is saying so, now. For over a decade TSG was understood to be the reactionary force that we are. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Wonder if we applied the same hustle-and-production mentality to firemen, paramedics, and police officers. Would we have them, on lean days, creating fires, bandaging up healthy people, and handcuffing the innocent simply to justify their existence -- of course not. We want them to put out fires, inflate our sagging lungs, and stop our attackers when a real problem exists. Otherwise, we want them safely away and out of sight. We respect them because they provide the expertise to address the trauma in our lives. We make fun, but we accept that cops eat donuts waiting on the next call. The paramedics stock white sheets and saline drip, and the firemen pet spotted white dogs while polishing red trucks.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Just because they dont hustle every hour of their day, we dont discount their worth. Unfortunately, this sensibility does not exist at UPS. I understand that we might truly be overmanned. In fact, I believe this is true in my district. However, the percent to which this is true is not something I can estimate with any certainty. If they take a little here and a bit there, I can live with it. </span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Of course, I am probably not one of the technicians affected. So I can speak freely without the gut-wrenching feeling of not knowing if I can be saved. I felt numb for a few days after the announcement. And, as I say, I am probably not going anywhere. I feel for those who have to leave. I really do. These guys are my friends. Sadly, some of them have better skills than those who will stay behind.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">What bothers me most about the prospect of losing our jobs is that many UPS technicians have little regard for just how poor our skills-sets have been developed. Almost every technician in my district has the A+. Few have anything more. Few have any real concept of network hardware, server administration, security management, web development, hardware bench support I could go on, and on. It is my belief that most technicians at UPS would likely have to settle for about two-thirds their current salary outside of UPS. I may be wrong; it is just my opinion.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">For those technicians that will have to leave UPS, I wish them well. I hope they kept their skills honed by outside education and side-work. If they didnt, I feel for them. If there is one thing that we can really agree on is that UPS has had very little interest in a highly skilled technician workforce. I like that they paid for the A+ (time, travel, and testing). This was great. However, it is the only great thing I can remember concerning training and development. The horrible district training teams and SMS are so ridiculous that it is not productive to even discuss further.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If you like technology and feel threatened by this round of layoffs, please make a conscious decision to take your future into your own hands. You are going to have to keep your skills sharp. While this might be the first TSG layoff, it doesnt have to mean that it will be the end. Not sure, see the Center of Future (COF).</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If you have a passion for technology, and dont work in North Jersey, you cannot expect but so much at UPS. Centralized administration, consolidated Helpdesks, and proprietary hardware and software dont lend to district technician excitement and fulfillment. If you really want technology, I just dont think UPS is the place for it.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I traded fulfillment and challenge for an easy job, great benefits, decent pay, and, mostly, for the security that UPS has afforded hundreds of thousands of employees for nearly 100 years. Now that the security is gone, those other things have lost a lot of their luster.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I know a lot of you will read this message and find fault with one or more things Ive said. I promised to be honest, and I think I have. Hell, if TIEGUY can spew forth, why cant I.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of my TSG life. My palm has lines that run long. Perhaps to some it is an omen of a long life. I hope so. For others, their palms are sweaty and their lines short. Perhaps to some it is an omen of a perilous life. To those, may your unemployment lines be short. May your unemployment time be shorter.</em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></O<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/tongue.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" data-shortname=":p" />></em></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>To those who always call the Helpdesk, long life. To those who make the effort for the most part, a good life. And to those who knock upon my door, much strife. For you have taken my brothers UPS life.</em></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sideline Sam, post: 77332, member: 4772"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Ive been reading along with many other silent, but interested, UPSers for the last week. I have finally decided to join this discussion. I dont plan on making too many friends, but I promise you I will tell the truth.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [LEFT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][I]First, TIEGUY, you have been very calm and made many good points. Often, your efforts have left very little room for argument. However, I dont like your passive-aggressive style. It has become tiresome. You are calm, but aim to jab smartly, often with condescension. Dont forget that many technicians have education levels that exceed that of the division staff in districts.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I have been a technician at UPS for over 10 years. I worked for UPS in other functions before entering TSG. I havent been happy with my job in many years. I have no sense of fulfillment. I have no sense of challenge. TSG is simply a job it could be picking up trash in the hub, or washing trucks in a center. I wish I could get excited about it, but I dont. And while I get no love at work, I am smitten with technology in general.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Would I like to trade my TSG job for those above definitely not. TSG is easy work. Ive never had a job in my life where I am paid as much to do as little. Dont get me wrong. I have stressful days when everything breaks and the CTSG page has a dead link for every topic I desperately need to view. Ive had HFCS down with division and hub managers breathing down my neck. I know those days. I also know the truth is that in my district the technicians dont have enough work to honestly make their PMT commitments. I dont know how they do, and I dont want to know. I just know it all works out weekly and monthly. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Not having enough work is not the technicians fault. I dont even know if I would put the responsibility on the supervision. Who says that technicians have to be active every second of the day well, apparently UPS is saying so, now. For over a decade TSG was understood to be the reactionary force that we are. [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Wonder if we applied the same hustle-and-production mentality to firemen, paramedics, and police officers. Would we have them, on lean days, creating fires, bandaging up healthy people, and handcuffing the innocent simply to justify their existence -- of course not. We want them to put out fires, inflate our sagging lungs, and stop our attackers when a real problem exists. Otherwise, we want them safely away and out of sight. We respect them because they provide the expertise to address the trauma in our lives. We make fun, but we accept that cops eat donuts waiting on the next call. The paramedics stock white sheets and saline drip, and the firemen pet spotted white dogs while polishing red trucks.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Just because they dont hustle every hour of their day, we dont discount their worth. Unfortunately, this sensibility does not exist at UPS. I understand that we might truly be overmanned. In fact, I believe this is true in my district. However, the percent to which this is true is not something I can estimate with any certainty. If they take a little here and a bit there, I can live with it. [/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Of course, I am probably not one of the technicians affected. So I can speak freely without the gut-wrenching feeling of not knowing if I can be saved. I felt numb for a few days after the announcement. And, as I say, I am probably not going anywhere. I feel for those who have to leave. I really do. These guys are my friends. Sadly, some of them have better skills than those who will stay behind.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]What bothers me most about the prospect of losing our jobs is that many UPS technicians have little regard for just how poor our skills-sets have been developed. Almost every technician in my district has the A+. Few have anything more. Few have any real concept of network hardware, server administration, security management, web development, hardware bench support I could go on, and on. It is my belief that most technicians at UPS would likely have to settle for about two-thirds their current salary outside of UPS. I may be wrong; it is just my opinion.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]For those technicians that will have to leave UPS, I wish them well. I hope they kept their skills honed by outside education and side-work. If they didnt, I feel for them. If there is one thing that we can really agree on is that UPS has had very little interest in a highly skilled technician workforce. I like that they paid for the A+ (time, travel, and testing). This was great. However, it is the only great thing I can remember concerning training and development. The horrible district training teams and SMS are so ridiculous that it is not productive to even discuss further.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]If you like technology and feel threatened by this round of layoffs, please make a conscious decision to take your future into your own hands. You are going to have to keep your skills sharp. While this might be the first TSG layoff, it doesnt have to mean that it will be the end. Not sure, see the Center of Future (COF).[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]If you have a passion for technology, and dont work in North Jersey, you cannot expect but so much at UPS. Centralized administration, consolidated Helpdesks, and proprietary hardware and software dont lend to district technician excitement and fulfillment. If you really want technology, I just dont think UPS is the place for it.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I traded fulfillment and challenge for an easy job, great benefits, decent pay, and, mostly, for the security that UPS has afforded hundreds of thousands of employees for nearly 100 years. Now that the security is gone, those other things have lost a lot of their luster.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I know a lot of you will read this message and find fault with one or more things Ive said. I promised to be honest, and I think I have. Hell, if TIEGUY can spew forth, why cant I.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]<O:p></O:p>[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][I]Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of my TSG life. My palm has lines that run long. Perhaps to some it is an omen of a long life. I hope so. For others, their palms are sweaty and their lines short. Perhaps to some it is an omen of a perilous life. To those, may your unemployment lines be short. May your unemployment time be shorter.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][I]<O:p></O:p>[/I][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][I]To those who always call the Helpdesk, long life. To those who make the effort for the most part, a good life. And to those who knock upon my door, much strife. For you have taken my brothers UPS life.[/I][/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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