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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 128430" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I agree coldworld. The basic foundation of any positive relationship is trust and you are correct. In our case it's not there and I think it goes both ways. Both cultures (management and union) thrive and grow on this seperation IMO and both sides are waiting for the other to bend over backwards and totally give in to the other before this is ever resolved. In either case, it will likely never happen until the company faces a huge crisis forcing both sides to work together an overcome the problem. A probable majority upper level management with those opposed held in line out of fear, a minority of both hardcore union with some fear factor amongst the hourly ranks and a minority worklevel management and the union hierarchy will be standing around pointing fingers and throwing blame for the crisis and doing nothing to fix it will also be very present. I do believe the larger majority of worklevel management and hourly will work together to overcome the crisis and thus building a working relationship as we work the problem and resolve it together. A big enough crisis will spread the upper ranking so thin that micro management will be impossible leaving many at the worklevel to their own so to speak and see the crisis, plot a solution and then enact and even adjust the plan as the need arises. That is whare you will find the success to overcome any problem but those folks will not beat their chests to claim glory but rather continue to work and make things better. In the meantime, you will have those that did nothing posturing to take the credit and use the attention and fame to advance their own careers and they will acend the corp, latter. However, once resolved will the errogant natures of both sides kick in full steam again and in the end we gained nothing in the respects of which you spoke?</p><p> </p><p>I can't answer that but I'm a huge skeptic it that means anything. Regardless, good points in your post and I'm sure there are a lot of worklevel management who would agree and appreciate your comments!</p><p> </p><p>JMO</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 128430, member: 2189"] I agree coldworld. The basic foundation of any positive relationship is trust and you are correct. In our case it's not there and I think it goes both ways. Both cultures (management and union) thrive and grow on this seperation IMO and both sides are waiting for the other to bend over backwards and totally give in to the other before this is ever resolved. In either case, it will likely never happen until the company faces a huge crisis forcing both sides to work together an overcome the problem. A probable majority upper level management with those opposed held in line out of fear, a minority of both hardcore union with some fear factor amongst the hourly ranks and a minority worklevel management and the union hierarchy will be standing around pointing fingers and throwing blame for the crisis and doing nothing to fix it will also be very present. I do believe the larger majority of worklevel management and hourly will work together to overcome the crisis and thus building a working relationship as we work the problem and resolve it together. A big enough crisis will spread the upper ranking so thin that micro management will be impossible leaving many at the worklevel to their own so to speak and see the crisis, plot a solution and then enact and even adjust the plan as the need arises. That is whare you will find the success to overcome any problem but those folks will not beat their chests to claim glory but rather continue to work and make things better. In the meantime, you will have those that did nothing posturing to take the credit and use the attention and fame to advance their own careers and they will acend the corp, latter. However, once resolved will the errogant natures of both sides kick in full steam again and in the end we gained nothing in the respects of which you spoke? I can't answer that but I'm a huge skeptic it that means anything. Regardless, good points in your post and I'm sure there are a lot of worklevel management who would agree and appreciate your comments! JMO [/QUOTE]
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