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<blockquote data-quote="The Other Side" data-source="post: 1180914" data-attributes="member: 17969"><p>Laguna, you start by calling the poster "reform clown", but I am curious how he is the "clown" when he VOTED on this contract, and YOU didnt? Seems like the only one who should feel like a "clown" would be YOU.</p><p></p><p>Second, you keep harping on the MOU being done and I dont know what you think you are talking about. What is it in the MOU and in fact, which MOU are you talking about in the first place?</p><p></p><p>Is there an MOU in the national master agreement that allows the west to spend what they want, pick any benefit level they want and maintain those levels on their own?</p><p></p><p>If there is, would you please post that MOU for all of us to see. Apparently, none of us have read that one and you have.</p><p></p><p>You said "I believe in Andy and that the MOU will get done and the West will get a plan they can control. That means WE the west negotiate our own plan from now on and the IBT can not levy votes from the central and east coast like they did for the NMA"</p><p></p><p>First things first. In your statement, you say "WE" can control our healthcare plan, in saying "WE" are you implying that "WE" the members will have some say in the healthcare plans future, like benefit levels, additional costs and such? IF so, you couldnt be more wrong. The plan will have trustees, and those trustees will have the POWER to make changes to benefit levels WITHOUT our approval. They can increase the cost of these plans to members by a simple vote and that vote will NOT have to be authorized by the members of the west. That means, any out of pocket changes can come at ANY TIME and NOTHING will be locked in for the duration of the contract.</p><p></p><p>You seem to be implying that the "west" can somehow find us a plan that is just like the current UPS that we have and that is wrong as well. </p><p></p><p>You claim to "believe" in Andy, but do you really? If so, then why not "believe" A's OWN WORDS. You seem to think he is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat and get you a plan that is just like what we have today? How about we listen to his own words and go from there?</p><p></p><p>"even if we get our own plan, a carve out, it will still be the same benefit levels as the C6, so in effect, what you are voting for IS the C6 plan" ~Andy M- Contract meeting, local 396 and local 952.</p><p></p><p>I find it disturbing that we have a "Steward" who claims to be the best steward around working in local 952 and he doesnt have the correct understanding of the MOU that has been proposed. Its disturbing that you are walking around talking to members giving them a false sense of security about the healthcare that will affect them in the future, but then again, you didnt vote so what else could be expected.</p><p></p><p>You can believe in A. all you want, but remember, it was A. who put us in this situation in the first place by NOT standing up to the IBT and fighting for our current healthcare plan. No matter what baloney A. is spinning currently, it is clear that the IBT's intention was to toss us into the C6 no matter what. The 6 months to "find" us another plan in the west was nothing more than a rouse.</p><p></p><p>You bought into it, I get it. But, as i asked you in the begining of this post, show us the MOU you believe exists in the NMA. Ill wait.</p><p></p><p>Peace</p><p></p><p>TOS</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Other Side, post: 1180914, member: 17969"] Laguna, you start by calling the poster "reform clown", but I am curious how he is the "clown" when he VOTED on this contract, and YOU didnt? Seems like the only one who should feel like a "clown" would be YOU. Second, you keep harping on the MOU being done and I dont know what you think you are talking about. What is it in the MOU and in fact, which MOU are you talking about in the first place? Is there an MOU in the national master agreement that allows the west to spend what they want, pick any benefit level they want and maintain those levels on their own? If there is, would you please post that MOU for all of us to see. Apparently, none of us have read that one and you have. You said "I believe in Andy and that the MOU will get done and the West will get a plan they can control. That means WE the west negotiate our own plan from now on and the IBT can not levy votes from the central and east coast like they did for the NMA" First things first. In your statement, you say "WE" can control our healthcare plan, in saying "WE" are you implying that "WE" the members will have some say in the healthcare plans future, like benefit levels, additional costs and such? IF so, you couldnt be more wrong. The plan will have trustees, and those trustees will have the POWER to make changes to benefit levels WITHOUT our approval. They can increase the cost of these plans to members by a simple vote and that vote will NOT have to be authorized by the members of the west. That means, any out of pocket changes can come at ANY TIME and NOTHING will be locked in for the duration of the contract. You seem to be implying that the "west" can somehow find us a plan that is just like the current UPS that we have and that is wrong as well. You claim to "believe" in Andy, but do you really? If so, then why not "believe" A's OWN WORDS. You seem to think he is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat and get you a plan that is just like what we have today? How about we listen to his own words and go from there? "even if we get our own plan, a carve out, it will still be the same benefit levels as the C6, so in effect, what you are voting for IS the C6 plan" ~Andy M- Contract meeting, local 396 and local 952. I find it disturbing that we have a "Steward" who claims to be the best steward around working in local 952 and he doesnt have the correct understanding of the MOU that has been proposed. Its disturbing that you are walking around talking to members giving them a false sense of security about the healthcare that will affect them in the future, but then again, you didnt vote so what else could be expected. You can believe in A. all you want, but remember, it was A. who put us in this situation in the first place by NOT standing up to the IBT and fighting for our current healthcare plan. No matter what baloney A. is spinning currently, it is clear that the IBT's intention was to toss us into the C6 no matter what. The 6 months to "find" us another plan in the west was nothing more than a rouse. You bought into it, I get it. But, as i asked you in the begining of this post, show us the MOU you believe exists in the NMA. Ill wait. Peace TOS [/QUOTE]
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