US Economy

rickyb

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Just for fun I googled "conservative who wrote 100 books" and it didn't show that conservative but there was a link to "100 people who are screwing up America."

I did enjoy the humor of that.

seriously who is the most highly regarded conservative?
 

wkmac

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any of the modern so called "conservatives" or the real ones from the past

That doesn't define conservative. Why don't you study the history of conservatism and from that maybe a clear definition of the word conservative might emerge.

In fact, I'll give you a name to start with. Francois Rene de Chateaubriand is suggested as the person to first used the term conservative in a political framework. Chateaubriand along with Louis De Bonald in 1818' created the journal La Conservateur which advanced the use of the term conservative in its political sense. In the British sense study the Tories and Edmund Burke. Once you get a grasp of European political movements, then jump the pond and follow the development of American political movements. Our whole idea of left/right came from the french parliament so now noodle that one out.
 

bbsam

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lets not forget women used to not work and 1 man could single handedly provide for his family.
i watched some PBS frontline documentary with bill moyers, they followed 2 families for 30 years in cities that were de-industrialized. 1 guy who had a manufacturing job made $40/hr, and lost it, and after 30 years of trying, the couple together were finally able to earn the $40 that the 1 guy earned by himself.

u can barely get by on $15/hr right, so why would $17/hr be middle class.
I've often thought that when women entered the workforce, boardrooms quietly began taking "their cut" to the point where they weren't taking advantage of the larger labor pool but in fact creating the circumstance where households didn't freely choose "two incomes", but needed "two incomes".
 

rickyb

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I've often thought that when women entered the workforce, boardrooms quietly began taking "their cut" to the point where they weren't taking advantage of the larger labor pool but in fact creating the circumstance where households didn't freely choose "two incomes", but needed "two incomes".

ive thought the same thing. create a system where people are just scraping by, and everyone is working. get rid of freedom.
 

wkmac

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The impact on the labor pool is a valid point but with both in the household working, the so-called Corp. side of the ledger benefits but there's one other partner involved whose revenue stream goes up.

And if both of these set the table for the organizing principles upon which society is run?

And with both parents working, who in effect raises the kids and to whose values? And to what self interest ends? As a feedback loop to continue the next generation into the same circular process in which to protect the same forces that maintain power and control?

And then we wonder with the parents because of work spending so little time with the kids during their most formative years who then hit their mid and later teens that all but ignore what their parents say because to them the parents are strangers. If the kids don't see parents as a resource for guidance, information and ideas, where and to whom will they look for such things?

We blame the parents as rotten parents or the kids as rotten kids but we never dare look at the underlying construct we all follow without question and dare to ever question that. Do we even dare ponder the question that maybe the root problem is not bad parents or bad kids at all? If we ask, who taught the bad kids then an equal question should be, who taught the bad parents?

As more and more 2 income households grew over time, so has the power of vested corp. interests grew as well. At the same time the gov't grew along with revenues and so has the waste and massive debt, not to mention private debt with it. At the same time the value of our money fell along with walk has been called the middle class. All this under the guidance of a construct we were told that built the middle class. And upon whose shoulders does all this come to rest when it's time to pay the tab?

Pure coincidence or do we dare look and consider a possible correlation(s)? What if we discover there was intent to contrive this situation, what then? Who would we trust if we thought we should back out of it all? How would we?

This is not about the answers just yet, we're a VERY LONG WAY from that. It's about getting the courage to even dare ask the questions in the first place and ponder those answers, even the potential uncomfortable ones. To solve the problem is too first finally look at yourself and admit there is one!
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
(CNSNews.com) - A study commissioned by the National Black Chamber of Commerce, which represents 2.1 million black-owned businesses in the United States, found that the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) Clean Power Plan would increase black poverty by 23 percent and cause the loss of 7 million jobs for black Americans by 2035.
The study also found that the EPA' plan would increase Hispanic poverty by 26 percent and cause the loss of 12 million jobs for Hispanic Americans by 2035.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
(CNSNews.com) - A study commissioned by the National Black Chamber of Commerce, which represents 2.1 million black-owned businesses in the United States, found that the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) Clean Power Plan would increase black poverty by 23 percent and cause the loss of 7 million jobs for black Americans by 2035.
The study also found that the EPA' plan would increase Hispanic poverty by 26 percent and cause the loss of 12 million jobs for Hispanic Americans by 2035.
Big government is a job killer.

Eliminate the EPA.
 

The Other Side

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Troll
(CNSNews.com) - A study commissioned by the National Black Chamber of Commerce, which represents 2.1 million black-owned businesses in the United States, found that the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) Clean Power Plan would increase black poverty by 23 percent and cause the loss of 7 million jobs for black Americans by 2035.
The study also found that the EPA' plan would increase Hispanic poverty by 26 percent and cause the loss of 12 million jobs for Hispanic Americans by 2035.

LAME right wing nutballs and their false claims..

TOS.
 

Sportello

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(CNSNews.com) - A study commissioned by the National Black Chamber of Commerce, which represents 2.1 million black-owned businesses in the United States, found that the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) Clean Power Plan would increase black poverty by 23 percent and cause the loss of 7 million jobs for black Americans by 2035.
The study also found that the EPA' plan would increase Hispanic poverty by 26 percent and cause the loss of 12 million jobs for Hispanic Americans by 2035.
Total BS.
 

moreluck

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