US national debt

[brett636]

Steve Wynn, billionaire businessman and democrat supporter would disagree with you. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ess_responsible_for_this_fear_in_america.html

I particularly enjoy this quote from Steve Wynn. "And I'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in my lifetime."

Seems those community organizers need to stay out of high level political offices because its become apparent that they don't know what they are doing.

 

[The Other Side]

I particularly enjoy this quote from Steve Wynn. "And I'm saying it bluntly, that this administration is the greatest wet blanket to business, and progress and job creation in my lifetime."

Seems those community organizers need to stay out of high level political offices because its become apparent that they don't know what they are doing.

WOW, steve wynn talking about Obamas redistribution positions, and this coming from the largest creator of redistribution of wealth in the country. Wynn takes millions of dollars from tourists every year and redistributes that money to his own pocket and hes worried about health care costs and regulation?

Hmm? Could it be that he is afraid of having to redistribute wealth after he redistributes wealth from you?

Peace.

 

[Buddybrown]

Another obtuse conservative, not too surprising. Your post dealt with two statements. The first being that Obama voted against the debt ceiling as a senator is simple fact. The over-reaching extrapolation of that fact pertaining to community organizers not knowing how business works being the reason the country is in the mess it is in is simply false.

Your misleading typical liberal like response not responding specifically to the fact that Obama's voting record speaks volumes doesn't fool anyone. The other part of the post, Obama's incompetence is happening in front of your very eyes, try opening them. No extrapolation required

WOW, steve wynn talking about Obamas redistribution positions, and this coming from the largest creator of redistribution of wealth in the country. Wynn takes millions of dollars from tourists every year and redistributes that money to his own pocket and hes worried about health care costs and regulation? Hmm? Could it be that he is afraid of having to redistribute wealth after he redistributes wealth from you? Peace.

Apples to oranges and you know it, at least I think you do. How many IRS agents will be lining up at those poor tourists doors when they don't show up at Wynn's casinos? Another attempt to make Obama look like a good guy, sorry you lose or rather we ALL lose!

 

[trplnkl]

Your misleading typical liberal like response not responding specifically to the fact that Obama's voting record speaks volumes doesn't fool anyone. The other part of the post, Obama's incompetence is happening in front of your very eyes, try opening them. No extrapolation required Apples to oranges and you know it, at least I think you do. How many IRS agents will be lining up at those poor tourists doors when they don't show up at Wynn's casinos? Another attempt to make Obama look like a good guy, sorry you lose or rather we ALL lose!

The people that redistribute their personal wealth to Wynn do so of their own personal free will. Wynn does not take their money, they GIVE it to him.

 

[Buddybrown]

That was my point thanks for confirming it!

 

[brett636]

WOW, steve wynn talking about Obamas redistribution positions, and this coming from the largest creator of redistribution of wealth in the country. Wynn takes millions of dollars from tourists every year and redistributes that money to his own pocket and hes worried about health care costs and regulation?

Hmm? Could it be that he is afraid of having to redistribute wealth after he redistributes wealth from you?

Peace.

This is why I stated in a different thread that you libs are irrational and illogical. Your post makes no sense.

You, for whatever reason, cannot separate the differences between business and government, and apparently think they are one in the same when it comes to how they collect revenue. Government is force. There is no way around that. Government is the only entity which can put a gun to the head of a hard working person and demand money from them legally. A business cannot do this and as a result must convince that same hard working person to hand them their money in exchange for a product or service that person desires. Steven Wynn doesn't redistribute anyone's wealth, he earns it through being a good businessman. That is far different than government taking it at the point of a gun as it does in all its tax collection exercises.

 

[bbsam]

Steve Wynn, billionaire businessman and democrat supporter would disagree with you. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ess_responsible_for_this_fear_in_america.html

I'm all for business. Probably more so than most union members around here. But to blame this administration's policies for not stimulating enough growth? Suck it up people. Invest in business or get taxed on it. Time for the" job creators" to step up and create.

 

[brett636]

I'm all for business. Probably more so than most union members around here. But to blame this administration's policies for not stimulating enough growth? Suck it up people. Invest in business or get taxed on it. Time for the" job creators" to step up and create.

Did you not read Steve Wynn's statement? How can you invest in a business environment as unstable as this one? When you don't know where your taxes are headed, along with regulation and healthcare costs why would you risk your money when you have no idea what new burden the government will lay on you as a result?

 

[bbsam]

C'mon brett. Stop being so disingenuous. Taxes are historically low. You make the same argument that was made before the bush tax cuts were extended. Where has that gotten us? Nowhere. How many times are we supposed to fall for it? And besides, business has risk by nature. I think it is safe to say that taxes are going to go up. A smart business plan is flexible enough to allow for that eventuality.

 

[brett636]

C'mon brett. Stop being so disingenuous. Taxes are historically low. You make the same argument that was made before the bush tax cuts were extended. Where has that gotten us? Nowhere. How many times are we supposed to fall for it? And besides, business has risk by nature. I think it is safe to say that taxes are going to go up. A smart business plan is flexible enough to allow for that eventuality.

It isn't just taxes. It's regulations and overall employment costs. If you are operating a business and your costs go up 10, 15, or 20 percent due to these unknowns and your business doesn't have a like increase in revenues that is going to put a serious dent in your ability to stay in business at all possibly creating more unemployment.

 

[bbsam]

It isn't just taxes. It's regulations and overall employment costs. If you are operating a business and your costs go up 10, 15, or 20 percent due to these unknowns and your business doesn't have a like increase in revenues that is going to put a serious dent in your ability to stay in business at all possibly creating more unemployment.

All of that is true and all of it has always been true. Business cannot expect to have everything for the next 30 years laid out in front of them today. Economies change, regulations change, minimum wage changes, immigration policy changes. All of these are facts that business people face day in and day out from well established companies to the mom and pop start-ups. To use them as an excuse to continue the money and power flowing to the top is ridiculous.

 

[brett636]

It isn't just taxes. It's regulations and overall employment costs. If you are operating a business and your costs go up 10, 15, or 20 percent due to these unknowns and your business doesn't have a like increase in revenues that is going to put a serious dent in your ability to stay in business at all possibly creating more unemployment.

All of that is true and all of it has always been true. Business cannot expect to have everything for the next 30 years laid out in front of them today. Economies change, regulations change, minimum wage changes, immigration policy changes. All of these are facts that business people face day in and day out from well established companies to the mom and pop start-ups. To use them as an excuse to continue the money and power flowing to the top is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

The only thing ridiculous is your argument. When a business can't depend on its cost structure to be atleast somewhat stable they will, at best, hold back on new investments, and at worst lay people off or go out of business altogether. This administration has sewn the seeds of unemployment in the private sector and we are only beginning to reap the fruits of their labor.

 

[bbsam]

Has UPS's cost structure been stable? Fedex's? GM's? Costs are managed and minimalized and profits fluctuate. Corporate America has done very, very well under the Obama Administration largely because it has remained very similar to the Bush Administration.

 

[brett636]

Has UPS's cost structure been stable? Fedex's? GM's? Costs are managed and minimalized and profits fluctuate. Corporate America has done very, very well under the Obama Administration largely because it has remained very similar to the Bush Administration.

Large corporations and businesses have more leverage to ride out unstable business environments brought on by moronic politicians. Worse yet companies like GM find many friends among these type of politicians and recieve bailouts and no longer have to be concerned with failure. I am concerned with the area of the economy where 80% of all new jobs are created and that is small businesses. They can't wait for things to get better.

 

[DS]

Why don't they raise taxes on the things that people really could live without?
The same bottle of alcohol that costs $35 here,is only $18 in the USA,
cigarette prices are the same.
Ruin your liver and lungs to save the country.

 

[moreluck]

 

[brett636]

Why don't they raise taxes on the things that people really could live without?
The same bottle of alcohol that costs $35 here,is only $18 in the USA,
cigarette prices are the same.
Ruin your liver and lungs to save the country.

There are several things wrong with this. First taxes on just those items would not be enough to fix this problem. I also have an ideological opposition to my government telling me what is and is not bad for me. It starts with cigarettes and alcohol and moves onto potato chips and fast food. Soon enough you have the government with the power to determine what consumables In this country will make it to the marketplace and which ones will not. I don't want my government to have that kind of power. Not to say we don't already tax those items, just not to the extent you do in Canada.

The problem is not a tax problem. It's not that our government takes in too few tax dollars its that our government spends too much. It doesn't matter how much you raise taxes our politicians will jump at the chance to use that extra revenue to buy themselves votes. We need our constitution amended so that no matter who is in charge our government cannot spend more than it recieves. It's been proven in these modern times that our politicians are equivalent to children when it comes to money and the only way to control them is to limit the amount of money they can spend.

 

[wkmac]

There are several thongs wrong with this.

Before you jump to that conclusion, could you please tell us who is wearing the thong so we can determine that for ourselves!

Sorry, I know what you meant but couldn't resist the fun with it!

BTW: My "thong" on the matter is we should repudiate the entire debt.

 

[wkmac]

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[brett636]

There are several thongs wrong with this.

Before you jump to that conclusion, could you please tell us who is wearing the thong so we can determine that for ourselves!

Sorry, I know what you meant but couldn't resist the fun with it!

BTW: My "thong" on the matter is we should repudiate the entire debt.[/QUOTE]

Damn, got owned by the autocorrect.