Vacation selection (Summer weeks)

[over9five]

Is it fair to change things for the driver who has put in his time, and would now lose weeks he wanted to a less senior man?

 

[upsgrunt]

Here's another question regarding vacation/sick/personal/option days:

Do you think we as employees should be given the right to donate any of the above to a fellow hourly who has been out of work for an extended period of time due to an off the job injury or illness?

Yes, I do.

 

[DorkHead]

good point over9five!

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Is it fair to change things for the driver who has put in his time, and would now lose weeks he wanted to a less senior man?

Over, nothing is going to change as a result of this thread. There has been good discussion on both sides of the issue. We have all been there and all could not wait to be where we are now.

 

[soberups]

Here's another question regarding vacation/sick/personal/option days:

Do you think we as employees should be given the right to donate any of the above to a fellow hourly who has been out of work for an extended period of time due to an off the job injury or illness?

Yes.

 

[over9five]

Here's another question regarding vacation/sick/personal/option days:

Do you think we as employees should be given the right to donate any of the above to a fellow hourly who has been out of work for an extended period of time due to an off the job injury or illness?

Yes, provided it does not become like UW and 100% participation is expected.

 

[DorkHead]

Upstate, I know you understand and benefit from the concept of seniority. So in all fairness would you be willing to give up your bid route and be a cover driver for 2 or 3 yrs.?

 

[cachsux]

My fathers company used a plan similar to Sobers idea. They started top to bottom with everyone picking two weeks and then back to the top for another round. The senior guy still got what they wanted as they had first shot,lower seniority guys had a more diverse choice of weeks. What it did was force everyone to take the week they absolutely had to have and,possibly,give up weeks that were less important to them at least.

On the flip side there`s nothing in the contract preventing a senior employee from say picking two of his weeks and then letting everyone junior pick theirs before the senior person picks their rest. In case anyone out there was feeling noble or anything.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Upstate, I know you understand and benefit from the concept of seniority. So in all fairness would you be willing to give up your bid route and be a cover driver for 2 or 3 yrs.?

No. I have earned the right to my own area by virtue of my seniority.

 

[Anonymous 10]

When I was a junior guy I had a similiar idea and was told to friend#!& off by the senior drivers....A couple years ago a junior guy came up with the same idea....wanna guess what I told him ? Earn your stripes.

1+++

 

[DorkHead]

Ok, good answer

 

[cachsux]

Here's another question regarding vacation/sick/personal/option days:

Do you think we as employees should be given the right to donate any of the above to a fellow hourly who has been out of work for an extended period of time due to an off the job injury or illness?

As far as this "donation",would it be into a pool of days for anyone to apply for their use in a time of need? Or would it be "Hey. good guy Joe needs our help. i`ll give him a week of my time." " Hey bad guy Klein is in trouble again. He can twist in the wind" ?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

As far as this "donation",would it be into a pool of days for anyone to apply for their use in a time of need? Or would it be "Hey. good guy Joe needs our help. i`ll give him a week of my time." " Hey bad guy Klein is in trouble again. He can twist in the wind" ?

It would be to one person in a time of need. I would never simply donate it to a pool of days to be used by anyone.

I thought about this because this is something our local prison guards do. They will donate personal time to one of their co-workers during a time of need.

 

[bumped]

When I was low in seniority I took all February vacations, because I knew I would most likely be laid off.

 

[cachsux]

It would be to one person in a time of need. I would never simply donate it to a pool of days to be used by anyone.

I thought about this because this is something our local prison guards do. They will donate personal time to one of their co-workers during a time of need.

If it was truly a matter of caring for the fellow driver it should be for everyone and not a popularity contest. I`d be happy to donate the pay for the day but I`d still want a day off,unpaid.

 

[upsgrunt]

If it was truly a matter of caring for the fellow driver it should be for everyone and not a popularity contest. I`d be happy to donate the pay for the day but I`d still want a day off,unpaid.

If you were going to do that, why couldn't you just write the guy a check for what you would have made for the day and leave everything else alone?

 

[cachsux]

If you were going to do that, why couldn't you just write the guy a check for what you would have made for the day and leave everything else alone?

I could do that also.

 

[bumped]

We've done collections for guys that have gotten fired. Coming from a smaller center its more of a family.

 

[brownboxman]

Ok good discussion, that was a good point that senior drivers would loose something if a new system was started. But I feel there needs to be a progression towards a different system. Here is another view on the whole point, if we held the same standards to wages, as some have held to vacations, "I earned it I want more of the wages, I get $40 per hr and you(lower seniority)get $20. I earned it!

 

[hellfire]

He is not boo hooin--he probably has more time in the game than you do. He is making a valid point.

no,, he doesnt,,i could retire with central states partial crap plan now,, anyways if you so concerned give up your vacation time to less senior people ,, ask them if they want your week before you take it