Voter Suppression

moreluck

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Yeah, now those dead people can't vote. Awwww !!

From Jacksonville Times:
Since a new set of state voting laws went into effect more than a year ago, the number of new Democrats registering in Florida has all but disappeared, according to a Times-Union review.

During the 13 months beginning July 1 the year before elections in 2004 and 2008, registered Democrats increased by an average of 209,425 voters. From 2011 to this year, that number was 11,365.

In Duval County alone there were about 13,000 new Democrats, meaning the rest of the state lost them.
Over that same time, the number of registered Republicans increased by 128,039, topping the average of 103,555 during the past two presidential cycles.

Overall, Democrats still hold a 445,794 statewide registration advantage.
 

The Other Side

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What a week for the OBAMA team and the American voting public!!!!!! Too bad FOX SPEWS didnt have time to run the stories, but heck, when do they ever report NEWS???

First, in florida, the courts BLOCKED the Florida voter ID law, second, in TEXAS, a judge BLOCKED the Texas voter ID LAW, third, in OHIO, a Judge REINSTATED the three day early voting window to ALL VOTERS IN THE STATE!

WOOOOOHOOOOO!! Congrats to the OBAMA team and their lawyers for shutting down these attempts at voter suppression!!

Peace

TOS
 

upsgrunt

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Give one good reason why it is not ok to require an ID to vote.
I just can't fathom why you cheer the defeat of a simple, convenient way to prevent fraud, yet argue the need for MORE government.
 

bbsam

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Give one good reason why it is not ok to require an ID to vote.
I just can't fathom why you cheer the defeat of a simple, convenient way to prevent fraud, yet argue the need for MORE government.
Because there is video proof that republicans have put this in place not to prevent voter fraud but in hopes of reducing Obama's vote count. Now, give one good reason why that's ok.
 

upsgrunt

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Tell me how that would reduce Obama's vote count.
If he counts on illegal votes then that's his problem.
Either you are registered and elligible to vote, or not; there is no gray area.
 

bbsam

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Because they have changed the required ID to disproportionately disenfranchize poor and minority voters. Sad part is, they don't even try to deny it anymore.
 

upsgrunt

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Everyone has to have an ID to cash a check. If a person feels strongly enough about their vote, they will get what it takes to voice their opinion- the legal people, at least.
 

bbsam

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[video]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/17/jon-stewart-rips-apart-voter-suppression-laws-in-pennsylvania-and-ohio/[/video]Really, Stewart leans left, is very funny, and makes damn good points. Again, how is this ok?
 

Babagounj

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So according to your ideals poor people don't own vehicles, don't drive vehicles, never have to cash a check , never buy alcoholic beverages , never ride on airplanes , don't travel except by public transport , don't go on cruise ships, don't win any money at casinos , can"t ship a parcel thru UPS nor pick up a parcel at a Customer Counter because they don't have a valid Gov't issued id .
 

Lue C Fur

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So according to your ideals poor people don't own vehicles, don't drive vehicles, never have to cash a check , never buy alcoholic beverages , never ride on airplanes , don't travel except by public transport , don't go on cruise ships, don't win any money at casinos , can"t ship a parcel thru UPS nor pick up a parcel at a Customer Counter because they don't have a valid Gov't issued id .

Oh shut up....your making sense. Be careful...their heads will explode. :)
 

brown bomber

brown bomber
if you want to exercise one of the basic rights of citizenship, ( Right to vote)....should you have to show that you are in fact a citizen

my parents informed me that when they were younger, there was election day...it was your civic responsibility to vote on THAT DAY...no absentee ballots, no mail in votes, or no early voting days............if YOU wanted to vote you would show up and vote your own ballot...you weren't escorted to the polling place by some entity with some sort of agenda
 

moreluck

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[video]http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/17/jon-stewart-rips-apart-voter-suppression-laws-in-pennsylvania-and-ohio/[/video]Really, Stewart leans left, is very funny, and makes damn good points. Again, how is this ok?
Have you seen the many forms of ID that
are required to get welfare ???

Start gathering this information right away in order to apply for welfare - identification, birth certificates for everyone in the family, marriage and divorce certificates, bank statements, life insurance statements, pay stubs, Social Security cards, health insurance cards and tax records.
 

The Other Side

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Tell me how that would reduce Obama's vote count.
If he counts on illegal votes then that's his problem.
Either you are registered and elligible to vote, or not; there is no gray area.

The problem is bro, you will only hear what you WANT to hear. A republican on video claiming that voter ID laws will help romney win the state falls on deaf ears to those who dont want to hear the truth.

Turzai: Voter ID Will Allow Romney to Win Pa. - YouTube

Try and engage in this conversation again, this time, after listening to that idiot on video.

Peace

TOS
 

BrownArmy

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We could debate the merits of the necessity to own a photo ID...

Or, we could wonder why, in recent months, multiple Republican-run states have:

ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOME CONCERNED WITH RAMPANT VOTER FRAUD.

Which, by the way, is infinitesimal.

Curious.
 

BrownArmy

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Instances of verified voter fraud are infinitesimally small (compared to total votes cast).

This is a solution looking for a problem.
 

bbsam

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So according to your ideals poor people don't own vehicles, don't drive vehicles, never have to cash a check , never buy alcoholic beverages , never ride on airplanes , don't travel except by public transport , don't go on cruise ships, don't win any money at casinos , can"t ship a parcel thru UPS nor pick up a parcel at a Customer Counter because they don't have a valid Gov't issued id .
If you feel that strongly about it, maybe the United States needs to move to a national, government mandated and financed ID. Again. How do you listen to a republican henchman blatantly insist that they have rigged the election for Romney through voter suppression and see nothing wrong with it? I keep asking the question and none on the right want to take it on.
 

upsgrunt

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So now if Obama loses, the excuse will be that the election was rigged?
Brown Army says the fraud is tiny compared to total votes; if your paycheck was off several dollars would you NOT try to have it corrected?
BB- I'm still not seeing how votes are being suppressed. If legal people want to cast a legal vote, they need to show an ID. If they don't have on, who doesn't have an ID?, then either they get one, or they don't vote. If you are saying that it is suppression because someone is required to have documentation that they can easily get, then I disagree with you.
It raises a red flag with me that this seems to be such an issue with the Dems.

I didn't watch any video, nor do I need to listen to anyone in my preferred party tell me how to think. I'm perfectly able to form my own opinion on this matter.
 

bbsam

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Grunt, you don't have to take it from me. Republican leaders are bragging about suppression of blocks of potential Obama voters. But if Obama loses, it won't be because of this because courts are rightly siding with the president.
 

upsgrunt

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I'm not, nor would I ever, call you out on your posts. You've never given me a reason to think you are lying and you can give respectful answers even when you don't agree with a post. Sorry, but I don't agree with you, or the courts, on this. Why is it that Democrats have such a hard time with identification and birth certificates?
 

bbsam

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I'm not, nor would I ever, call you out on your posts. You've never given me a reason to think you are lying and you can give respectful answers even when you don't agree with a post. Sorry, but I don't agree with you, or the courts, on this. Why is it that Democrats have such a hard time with identification and birth certificates?

The problem is that the law is aimed at suppression of voting rather than preventing a nearly non existant problem. It is the proverbial "bazooka to kill a fly in the kitchen" only the aim is not to kill the fly, but to have the insurance company remodel the kitchen.
 
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