Waiting for Superman.

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by island1fox, Apr 2, 2011.

  1. island1fox

    island1fox Well-Known Member

    Has anyone seen this Doc/Movie? It is really depressing. Has alot to do with the power of the Teachers Unions and a childs education. To me it was very depressing !!:sad-little:
     
  2. Lue C Fur

    Lue C Fur Evil member

    Where can i view it at?
     
  3. island1fox

    island1fox Well-Known Member

    LCF,
    I found it on Netflicks. I watched it with my wife last night and we are very happy and positive people. After waiting for superman ----Downer !!!! But I highly recommend people see and debate the facts presented.
     
  4. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    Island,

    I've not seen Waiting for Superman but I'll check it out when I can. Thanks for the heads up.

    I believe and have for a long time that the top down educational structure of american education is forever broken, and for a variety of reasons. But what I've found most interesting over the last couple of years are the ideas and concepts in the realm of education that are discussed at TED. TED offers tons of lectures on a variety of subjects but in the case of education there are over 80 of them and all worth seeing. However, one has always been one of my favorites and here's the link to it. You'll also laugh alot as it's humorously entertaining while making some great points.

    Another lecture poised the question, Can children actually teach themselves? The answers were most suprising and one that should cause us to pause and re-think how we think of the education process. The 19th century Prussian education model is and has been a failure and I hope going forward we will begin to rethink the entire education model. Also the idea that once we reach a certain age that education is over is another fallacy that has been in increasing collaspe and I hope it continues to do so.
     
  5. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    ah,oh I think we have another example here;
    Are U.S. government microwave mind-control tests causing TV presenters' brains to melt down?




    A bizarre spate of television presenters dissolving into on-air gibberish has sparked claims that the U.S. military could be to blame.

    In four high-profile cases, the latest involving fast-talking Judge Judy, the presenters have started off speaking properly but have then descended into undecipherable nonsense - looking confused and unstable.

    The frequency of the 'attacks' - and the fact that recorded examples of the mental meltdowns have been popular on websites - has led to conspiracy theorists pointing the finger at shadowy government experiments.
     
  6. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

     
  7. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    You missed my point, which is that trying to de-fund education by attacking teacher unions is moronic. What kind of education do you think kids will get with 40+ kids in the classroom and paying teachers even less than they already get? Yep, the kind that turns out more Republicans with zero critical thinking skills.
    Let's see....h'mmm if the state has to pay each teacher less money, then there would be more money available to hire more teachers and equip the classrooms with more supplies .
     
  8. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    ".... What kind of education do you think kids will get with 40+ kids in the classroom and paying teachers even less than they already get...."

    Why, a good Catholic education, of course !!
     
  9. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Attacking Teacher Unions isn't exactly the same thing as attacking teachers. Most teachers I know, and there are a lot of them, are very dedicated to doing their best to educate the children and to help them become well rounded members of society. Some give more than others, some are not worth the price of the paper their degree is printed on. The union keeps the worthless teachers employed while some good teachers have to head to the unemployment line.
     
  10. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Some of the best students I knew in High school were transfers from the Catholic Primary and Middle school in my home town. Most of them pretty well behaved too.
     
  11. island1fox

    island1fox Well-Known Member

    trpinkl,
    You touched on one of the major themes in the doc. The "Dance of the Lemons". In many states the Principals get together every year and trade "lemons" from one school to another.
    It also shows the results of good teachers and how they are worth their weight in gold. In Wash D.C. recently a young Asian School Chancellor tried to make some real changes to the school system. She proposed a very detailed plan to the Union that would allow teachers to maintain "tenor" if they chose to or they could bet on themselves and go on a very advanced pay scale that would result in very good teachers to get significant increases in their salaries.
    The Union refused to let the teachers even vote on the proposal --nothing to be taken away -only a way for good effective teachers to make more money.
    I believe that there are many teachers that believe that it is the union that is the real problem .
     
  12. MrFedEx

    MrFedEx Engorged Member

    For the most part, it is. I'm sure there are rotten teachers, and they deserve to go, but going after the unions is the main goal here...teachers are a secondary concern. I notice you are retired, presumably from UPS, and presumably from a union job. You've got your pension, which is much better than the one I'll get from FedEx, so why not put your money where your mouth is, and just return that evil union pension to those nice folks at UPS. Refuse it, donate it, but don't be a hypocrite who advocates killing unions when you are suckling from the union yourself (presumably).
     
  13. ORLY!?!

    ORLY!?! Master Loader

    I've heard some good things from that film. It points out the problems with the public school systems. Sure there are many things to say on the negative side of this topic. And yet there are a few solutions to cure the problem.

    One of the problems is that we shovel off our kids to the schools and trust some stranger to fulfill their jobs in giving your children an education. The public side has proven to be the lazy way to achieve this goal. The solution is to either quit your job and home school them. Or pull them out, get a voucher and place them into more strict or more renown school ( as moreluck said ) private or catholic, even jewish schools. Those people dont screw around when dealing with children.

    Secondly, teachers have to go by a curriculum. A set guide to what they are supposed to be teaching. The teachers who go out of this course and are more abstract too are labeled trouble makers.

    Third is the kids. Children of the age where they can go to school. I recall wanting to play more then wanting learn something. The age limit of learning is too low. Your asking kids with small attention spans to sit still for 5 - 6 hours a day. Come on, thats an easy one.

    Lastly the parents are to blame. As they trust other strangers, to blaming the school system for you childs lost chance of an eduation. The Parents play just as important part in their childs education as the school systems. Lack of group study ( parent and child ) to paid tutors. There really isnt that much involvment with helping the student as well. Part of that is the teachers fault, as they should be filling in parents to their kids problems. Which they deem to be too much work and not apart of their contract, or the parents wont tolerate such critical comments about their snowflakes.

    Another solution to getting kids a better education is to start involving speciality type courses, skill trades earlier into the curriculum. Choosen classes by the student, free will. They can learn how to cook, repair cars, work on/ with computers, language courses to only name a few. This would lead to more of an intrest into education and following up to a possible career path. The world needs more specialist. Of course it would limit ones choice or need of college. A reason why they would never intergrade such a radical idea.

    Gonna go look for it on youtube, perhaps on a torrent. I'm sure this is a film everyone should see. I just hope it isnt a bomb throwing movie like Micheal Moores filks.
     
  14. ORLY!?!

    ORLY!?! Master Loader

    This site here will show you the film. At almost two hours long, might want to rethink some of your plans for today.

    Btw, you're gonna have to work this search engine a bit. Put in " waiting for superman " allow popups, go to the other site ( megavideo ) look at some ads then click no or X out. Then retry, but you will see the video at no cost, its not illeagel, your just sharing files, your not ownig it or producing more compies. Enjoy!

    http://www.surfthechannel.com/search/all/3/1/Waiting for superman.html#
     
  15. rod

    rod retired and happy

    Its so much easier just to go to a porn site.
     
  16. ORLY!?!

    ORLY!?! Master Loader

    I concur.

    Quality of the film is decent, not 100%. Its a documentary though, so the view points are more important then the video quality. Hear what is being said and the opinions are what matter.
     
  17. Lue C Fur

    Lue C Fur Evil member

    Great, thanks for the link.:happy-very:
     
  18. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    You won't have to worry about bbsam watching this video.....videos are for the ignorant folks who can't read.
     
  19. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    You won't watch it either as it's over 30 seconds long.
     
  20. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    I'll do 30 seconds, but 2 hours....it better have Matthew Mc Coneghy (sp) and lots of guns in it !!