Warning Letter Based on Telematics

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by BigBrown609, Nov 5, 2014.

  1. BigBrown609

    BigBrown609 Member

    A driver in my building just got a warning letter because he had his seat belt off once while driving according to telematics. I know Article 6 Section 6 (I'm pretty sure that's the right section) talks about being discharged due to technology. Is there anything in the contract that says they can't discipline us at all using technology?
     
  2. HEFFERNAN

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    A union steward with a pulse could find that in the contract.

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  3. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Did they catch him in the act or just go by telematics?
     
  4. Brownslave688

    Brownslave688 You want a toe? I can get you a toe.

    Please tell me you're not his steward.
     
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  5. BigBrown609

    BigBrown609 Member

    No, I'm not his steward. His steward was in the meeting when it happened and didn't do anything. And he was caught using telematics.
     
  6. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    So, UPS never had false positives?
     
  7. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

    I would like to see that warning letter.
     
  8. Big Arrow Down...D

    Big Arrow Down...D Leave the gun,take the cannoli

    Telematics seems to be the flavor of the month it's talked about in every pcm this week
     
  9. CHALLY9TX

    CHALLY9TX Active Member

    We need more info. According to telematics how long did the driver travel without a seatbelt? Sounds like the driver is being targeted.
     
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  10. BigBrown609

    BigBrown609 Member

    Idk, barely had a chance to talk to the driver and wasn't there for the meeting. Just heard about it this morning before the drivers were leaving
     
  11. Jones

    Jones fILE A GRIEVE! Staff Member

    If they confronted him with the telematics info and he admitted to rolling with his seatbelt off then yes, they can discipline him. Even if he denied it they can still give him a warning letter because they can give you warning letter for pretty much anything they want whether it's legit or not.
     
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  12. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    A warning letter is not discipline. It is a piece of paper. Discipline means suspension or termination and neither of these can happen based solely on Telematics reports.
     
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  13. BigBrown609

    BigBrown609 Member

    [quote/] A warning letter is not discipline. It is a piece of paper. Discipline means suspension or termination and neither of these can happen based solely on Telematics reports.[/quote]
    If it shows up again on telematics is he able to be written up?
     
  14. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Yes and they will use the " piece of paper" as their basis for further discipline.
     
  15. HEFFERNAN

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    I call bullsh1t because who the heck is going to get a warning letter for 1 instance.

    I've accidentally caught my jacket or shirt when I buckled and it came off.
    Same with the bulkhead door opening because the fob was pushed between my pants and car seat.

    Telematics isn't what you should be afraid of, IT'S AN INCOMPETENT STEWARD THAT SHOULD SCARE YOU !!!!!
     
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  16. upschuck

    upschuck Avatar bet gone wrong

    We grieve warning letters here.
     
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  17. BigBrown609

    BigBrown609 Member

    I'm just telling you what's going on, why would I lie about it? If you think I'm lying about this then feel free to move along and read another thread. But I do agree, an incompetent steward seems to be the problem here. He's got 25 years in and is on a cake route and doesn't wanna rock the boat.
     
  18. Overpaid Union Thug

    Overpaid Union Thug Well-Known Member

    Yep. Has to be caught in the act. It should be grieved ASAP for that reason.
     
  19. BigBeef42

    BigBeef42 Active Member

    Skynet is alive! And handing out warning letters....

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  20. HEFFERNAN

    HEFFERNAN Huge Member

    The point of my post is to show that 1 click on any sensor can be admissible as an accident. The union knew that fact enough to put language in the contract to make sure no employee can be disciplined over it. Any union official would know that and my issue is with your steward, not with you.