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Warning Letter: Do I have any options?
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<blockquote data-quote="Osprey413" data-source="post: 586430" data-attributes="member: 24489"><p>I don't know all the facts of this case, nor the words that were exchanged in that meeting, but even being on the management side of UPS this sounds wrong to me.</p><p></p><p>Yes, they have enough documentation to issue a warning letter.</p><p></p><p>But did you have to sign? No, absolutely not. In fact you are only required by contract to sign safety documentation. Everything else, including warning notices, intents to suspend, and intents to terminate, you can refuse to sign. If management wants a signature they can get the steward to sign acknowledging the conversation took place.</p><p></p><p>Threatening to terminate you for insubordination is also wrong, and perhaps even grievable. They can not terminate you for refusing to sign documentation you are not required by contract to sign. </p><p></p><p>The steward telling you that you could not grieve a warning letter, and you would be terminated if you did not sign it, is a serious concern. I would contact your business agent and talk to them about it. It sounds like management is bullying people around and the steward you dealt with is just laying down and letting it happen.</p><p></p><p>If they ask you to scan bags into a trailer as mistoggles on purpose again I would refuse. They will scream and yell about insubordination, but the fact is they are asking you to do something dishonest and will use it against you as soon as they can. If they decide to terminate you for refusing to do dishonest work then I would contact the good steward and grieve it. I cant imagine the company would win that grievance, unless the union up there is completely daft.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Osprey413, post: 586430, member: 24489"] I don't know all the facts of this case, nor the words that were exchanged in that meeting, but even being on the management side of UPS this sounds wrong to me. Yes, they have enough documentation to issue a warning letter. But did you have to sign? No, absolutely not. In fact you are only required by contract to sign safety documentation. Everything else, including warning notices, intents to suspend, and intents to terminate, you can refuse to sign. If management wants a signature they can get the steward to sign acknowledging the conversation took place. Threatening to terminate you for insubordination is also wrong, and perhaps even grievable. They can not terminate you for refusing to sign documentation you are not required by contract to sign. The steward telling you that you could not grieve a warning letter, and you would be terminated if you did not sign it, is a serious concern. I would contact your business agent and talk to them about it. It sounds like management is bullying people around and the steward you dealt with is just laying down and letting it happen. If they ask you to scan bags into a trailer as mistoggles on purpose again I would refuse. They will scream and yell about insubordination, but the fact is they are asking you to do something dishonest and will use it against you as soon as they can. If they decide to terminate you for refusing to do dishonest work then I would contact the good steward and grieve it. I cant imagine the company would win that grievance, unless the union up there is completely daft. [/QUOTE]
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