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<blockquote data-quote="dannyboy" data-source="post: 579473" data-attributes="member: 484"><p>Twin Raven</p><p> </p><p>My apology for not making the two conversations more distinctly separated. The second half of my post was directed to sales guy, beginning with the pencil. I also noticed that you did, but he didn't, but proper manners dont seem to be in his basket of goodies he brings to the BC table.</p><p> </p><p>I agree that UPS will not race to increase rates. But they will bump them up to be on par with what FedEx does. There is a lot more copy cat going on at UPS than one would think. But they would raise rates to boost the earnings just to please the investors.</p><p> </p><p>I realize that we are three years away from a new contract. And in that three years, a lot can happen. Like a new president, control of congress, and the list goes on.</p><p> </p><p>I also believe that judging from what I have seen over the last few contracts, that the teamsters have really enjoyed nursing on the breast of success. Central states for example, without the infusion that UPS put in to get out, could have been the beginning of the end of the teamsters.</p><p> </p><p>They want power. Pure power. And they are willing to wheel and deal with anyone that will give them more. That includes UPS and the Gooberment. They are also very willing to use anything and anyone to further their goals. </p><p> </p><p>No one is indispensable.</p><p> </p><p>When (notice I did not say if) FedEx is kicked into the mainstream, Hoffa and his bunch will focus their energy to creating a much larger union membership base. Not only the express (which will be a tough nut to crack) but ground, home and freight. UPS will take a supporting role for them to unionize FedEx. Many other unions will try to butt in, but the teamsters will win out.</p><p> </p><p>But they also know that when FedEx is unionized, the teamsters will also give a lot during the negotiations in 2013 and beyond for the support of UPS during this time.</p><p> </p><p>We have met FedEx on an un-level playing field and not only held our own, but made a huge profit during which time FedEx had had huge losses. Why would we need to level the playing field when we are cleaning their plow now? Yeah, Ive heard all the "strike" threats they have used. But after a while, crying wolf gets you what?</p><p> </p><p>Its because of give backs and concessions from the teamsters, both now and in the future. Worth billions long term, dollars that are saved because the teamsters owes UPS.</p><p> </p><p>So its not "just so where they are union employees, and now presto, we have a level playing field." UPS is not interested in leveling the playing field. They want, and will get, a distinct advantage once they have been removed from the RLA. And FEDEX being unionized is just a small portion of that picture.</p><p> </p><p>The upside? Could be that our retirement plans come out of the red with the new influx of union members. </p><p> </p><p>But that will be short lived. There are too few trees to pick from these days.</p><p> </p><p>d</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dannyboy, post: 579473, member: 484"] Twin Raven My apology for not making the two conversations more distinctly separated. The second half of my post was directed to sales guy, beginning with the pencil. I also noticed that you did, but he didn't, but proper manners dont seem to be in his basket of goodies he brings to the BC table. I agree that UPS will not race to increase rates. But they will bump them up to be on par with what FedEx does. There is a lot more copy cat going on at UPS than one would think. But they would raise rates to boost the earnings just to please the investors. I realize that we are three years away from a new contract. And in that three years, a lot can happen. Like a new president, control of congress, and the list goes on. I also believe that judging from what I have seen over the last few contracts, that the teamsters have really enjoyed nursing on the breast of success. Central states for example, without the infusion that UPS put in to get out, could have been the beginning of the end of the teamsters. They want power. Pure power. And they are willing to wheel and deal with anyone that will give them more. That includes UPS and the Gooberment. They are also very willing to use anything and anyone to further their goals. No one is indispensable. When (notice I did not say if) FedEx is kicked into the mainstream, Hoffa and his bunch will focus their energy to creating a much larger union membership base. Not only the express (which will be a tough nut to crack) but ground, home and freight. UPS will take a supporting role for them to unionize FedEx. Many other unions will try to butt in, but the teamsters will win out. But they also know that when FedEx is unionized, the teamsters will also give a lot during the negotiations in 2013 and beyond for the support of UPS during this time. We have met FedEx on an un-level playing field and not only held our own, but made a huge profit during which time FedEx had had huge losses. Why would we need to level the playing field when we are cleaning their plow now? Yeah, Ive heard all the "strike" threats they have used. But after a while, crying wolf gets you what? Its because of give backs and concessions from the teamsters, both now and in the future. Worth billions long term, dollars that are saved because the teamsters owes UPS. So its not "just so where they are union employees, and now presto, we have a level playing field." UPS is not interested in leveling the playing field. They want, and will get, a distinct advantage once they have been removed from the RLA. And FEDEX being unionized is just a small portion of that picture. The upside? Could be that our retirement plans come out of the red with the new influx of union members. But that will be short lived. There are too few trees to pick from these days. d [/QUOTE]
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