Weingarten Rights - Right to union representation

[jibbs]

I keep a card in my wallet that says something similar.

I like that idea. Standard responses are easier to dole out like a robot when you've got a cue card on-hand.

 

[HBGPreloader]

Your point had already been made---there was no need to escalate the issue.

I'm not the one escalating anything.

I know my Weingarten rights and the rules are pretty darn clear. And, when I read them my rights, it is up to the supe/manager to, essentially, either get me a steward or leave me alone - so I can return to work.

However, when they refuse to adhere to these rules and escalate the issue by continuing to harass me, of course I'm gonna poke the tiger

I'm there to get my job done to the best of my ability, collect my paycheck and, at the end of the day, go home.

Although I'm far from perfect, all of the drivers and managers that know me know I do a darn good job.

So, if you're going to play games and try to harass me over some lame corporate directive, you better be prepared for repercussions.

Of course, they can also choose to escort me off the premises. But, that won't work out well for them either.

 

[HBGPreloader]

I like that idea. Standard responses are easier to dole out like a robot when you've got a cue card on-hand.

Thanks to more than a few run ins with management, I used to have it committed to memory.
Now, though, they pretty much leave me alone.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

Jibbs....let them say whatever they want....it's flavor of the week time of year. RTS everything without a steward. Load quality audits are a crock....I'm doing the best I can, Sup. Let them threaten, if possible whenever they approach you to talk to you....call over an another loader to witness the cconversation. Funny how their tunes change with a witness around.

 

[10 point]

Your point had already been made---there was no need to escalate the issue.

It was a thoroughly explained scenario.

The company started the fight by stepping over (actually trampling) the employee's rights.

Let the chips fall where they may after that imposition.

Jibbs....let them say whatever they want....it's flavor of the week time of year. RTS everything without a steward. Load quality audits are a crock....I'm doing the best I can, Sup. Let them threaten, if possible whenever they approach you to talk to you....call over an another loader to witness the cconversation. Funny how their tunes change with a witness around.

Calling another worker over sets up the supe to say "he asked for another hourly as representation" and they sometimes claim it's a "work stoppage" which drags the other hourly into the fray.

Unless I feel threatened physically, I believe the company is forcing me to break the law ...do something not morally right or something that may jeopardize my safety I never get a regular hourly involved.

 

[olroadbeech]

As I understand it, a Warning Letter is an accusation.
If an Employee signs a Warning Letter, then it is considered an admission by the Employee of the wrongdoing they are accused of.
A grievance then cannot be filed.
The Employer can write RTS on the Warning Letter, and the Steward signs to confirm that the Employee refused to sign, then a grievance can be filed to protest the warning letter.
Also, the Employee and Steward are entiteld to copies of the Letter prior to leaving the meeting.
This is my understanding.

couldn't he claim 'Intimidation" to sign? after the fact?

 

[olroadbeech]

in 25 years have learned a couple things, Jibbs. if you can weather this storm, clear skies will appear. these kinds of bosses usually don't last very long.

we have seen DOZENS of supes come and go but all the hourlies are still here.

you've gotten some excellent advice from some BCers here. you should be OK in the long run. ( as long as you don't punch someone out .

 

[jibbs]

in 25 years have learned a couple things, Jibbs. if you can weather this storm, clear skies will appear. these kinds of bosses usually don't last very long.

we have seen DOZENS of supes come and go but all the hourlies are still here.

you've gotten some excellent advice from some BCers here. you should be OK in the long run. ( as long as you don't punch someone out .

I feel the same way. It's just funny how the storm gets so intense for me after peak when I feel like I've done an awesome job, not just compared to my personal work history but compared to everything I saw around my center this last go-around.

idk, I just felt like things would lighten up around now and instead it's like they're doing everything they possibly can to hit every one of my major stressors.




I appreciate the input, everybody. Even you, Upstate. I unignored you just so I could see what you had to say here.

 

[clean hairy]

I do believe if a Steward is not available another hourly can be brought in as a witness, at least in the Southern Region.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I do believe if a Steward is not available another hourly can be brought in as a witness, at least in the Southern Region.

They can do that
They always pull "that crap" when the steward is off. Amazing.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

I feel the same way. It's just funny how the storm gets so intense for me after peak when I feel like I've done an awesome job, not just compared to my personal work history but compared to everything I saw around my center this last go-around.

idk, I just felt like things would lighten up around now and instead it's like they're doing everything they possibly can to hit every one of my major stressors.




I appreciate the input, everybody. Even you, Upstate. I unignored you just so I could see what you had to say here.

You may not be new...but you're acting like it. They always beat us down once peak is over....harp on this and that....flavors of the week. Same stuff, different year.

 

[TooTechie]

Read what I wrote earlier in the thread. Not only can you insist on a steward--you can insist on a specific steward. If they are not able to produce them then management must end the meeting. Again, this is for a meeting in which a question is asked--not a meeting where you're being informed you're being disciplined. Having another hourly around to witness harassment is good, but they should never be used in a steward's stead.

 

[TheKid]

I do believe if a Steward is not available another hourly can be brought in as a witness, at least in the Southern Region.

As a witness , yes , if it is okay with the member. He can demand a steward be present.
Sorry, in my area anyways

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

While it would be preferable to have a steward present it is acceptable to have another hourly.

TT, while you can request a specific steward, mgt can insist the meeting take place if a trained steward is available.

 

[10 point]

While it would be preferable to have a steward present it is acceptable to have another hourly.

TT, while you can request a specific steward, mgt can insist the meeting take place if a trained steward is available.

"Acceptable" to management.

Glad you're not a steward.
That's poor advice.

Stick to investment threads. Your advice will get someone fired.

 

[10 point]

I feel the same way. It's just funny how the storm gets so intense for me after peak when I feel like I've done an awesome job, not just compared to my personal work history but compared to everything I saw around my center this last go-around.

idk, I just felt like things would lighten up around now and instead it's like they're doing everything they possibly can to hit every one of my major stressors.




I appreciate the input, everybody. Even you, Upstate. I unignored you just so I could see what you had to say here.

Sometimes they pick on the hourly that actually care because they can get psychological traction.

Blank stares work wonders.

 

[TooTechie]

While it would be preferable to have a steward present it is acceptable to have another hourly.

TT, while you can request a specific steward, mgt can insist the meeting take place if a trained steward is available.

Wrong. NLRB ruled the following below in 307 NLRB 976,977-978 Consolidation Coal Co (1992).

The caveat is the other steward has to be equally as knowledgeable and qualified so the member would have to state he felt the requested steward is more qualified or knowledgeable.

 

[jibbs]

You may not be new...but you're acting like it. They always beat us down once peak is over....harp on this and that....flavors of the week. Same stuff, different year.

They always beat YOU down, maybe.

My UPS experience has been relatively stress-free compared to some of the BS I hear you and other speak to on a regular basis. Things have changed for me with new management and I'm reacting to it.


I swear, BB58, you act like people are ing automatons and respond identically to stress in every situation, 365 days out of the year. Sorry if I don't have as big a set of dick and balls as you, bro-- I'm just trying to take this one day at a time. You don't have to be new to be caught off-guard and fed the up.

 

[Mugarolla]

Read what I wrote earlier in the thread. Not only can you insist on a steward--you can insist on a specific steward. If they are not able to produce them then management must end the meeting. Again, this is for a meeting in which a question is asked--not a meeting where you're being informed you're being disciplined. Having another hourly around to witness harassment is good, but they should never be used in a steward's stead.

You cannot necessarily request a specific steward. If you are a preloaded and there is a preload steward, management can grab him and continue the discussion.

You cannot refuse to use him and tell management that you would rather wait for the driver steward.

National Master

Article 4

The Employer recognizes the employee’s right to be given requested representation by a Steward, or the designated alternate, at such time as the employee reasonably contemplates disciplinary action. The Employer also recognizes the steward’s right to be given requested representation by another Steward, or the designated alternate, at such time as the Steward reasonably contemplates disciplinary action. When requested by the Union or the employee, there shall be a steward present whenever the Employer meets with an employee concerning grievances or discipline or investigatory interviews. In such cases, the meeting shall not be continued until the steward or alternate steward is present.

 

[10 point]

You cannot necessarily request a specific steward. If you are a preloaded and there is a preload steward, management can grab him and continue the discussion.

You cannot refuse to use him and tell management that you would rather wait for the driver steward.

National Master

Article 4

The Employer recognizes the employee’s right to be given requested representation by a Steward, or the designated alternate, at such time as the employee reasonably contemplates disciplinary action. The Employer also recognizes the steward’s right to be given requested representation by another Steward, or the designated alternate, at such time as the Steward reasonably contemplates disciplinary action. When requested by the Union or the employee, there shall be a steward present whenever the Employer meets with an employee concerning grievances or discipline or investigatory interviews. In such cases, the meeting shall not be continued until the steward or alternate steward is present.

When the company decides to bring a part time Steward in to represent a full time driver I start giving the full time grievances to part time supes.
This whole situation gets to be a mess when the company tries to avoid giving the employee appropriate representation. The language needs (as usual) to be more restrictive.