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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 671684" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><a href="http://sanseverything.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/when-conservatives-loved-the-palestinians/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">When Conservatives Loved the Palestinians</span></a></p><p></p><p></p><p>[media=youtube]bjb5DJjIrho[/media]</p><p></p><p>I guess some people have the mindset that the serpent's actions in the Garden of Eden was a justifiable intervention in that one "might" observe that the serpent was protecting life in that he perceived what he saw as "starvation" and in the name of providing "food" caused horrible and ultimately violent results in the long run by his act of intervention.</p><p></p><p>So often that action would be labeled or "spun" as a liberal action or even cause celeb and a point could be made that way but more and more it's becoming clear IMO that the serpent might have called himself "conservative" instead. Fact is he was neither and then again he was both yet he represents the worse in human nature found no matter where one goes. Would we call that true bi-partisanship?</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>Yet even the serpent's true motive are now understood to be not what at the time they would have seemed. As the years roll by and history reveals herself, this pattern seems to have a cyclical action does it not?</p><p></p><p>I find it so striking that many see gov't (and this IMO is correctly observed) is wrong in taxes, education, economic regulation, climate, and I'm sure others can add a whole host of other items but in the case of the military, foreign policy and warfare, the State seems to never be wrong. All it's actions are always seen in the name of protecting what is good and what is sacred. And you think this almost religious zealotry to an ideal would not be equally shared by others when it comes to their ways of life? Their long held folk ways and customs?</p><p></p><p>The very heavy handed and centralized approach to gov't that many here would oppose within the geographic 50 States of the Union, they seem to turn a blind eye to when the very same gov't uses those avenues on what George Carlin correctly observed as "brown people". Especially when advanced along a certain political line or by a certain faction. If it is so good abroad, then should we not adopt those same practices at home, champion them and proclaim taxation to pay for this approach as good and it's a good American who devotedly serves such ideals? Practice what you preach?</p><p></p><p>But those who dare question gov't in this area (foreign policy and military intervention) and no matter to what degree or consistency, a trait many of the founding fathers wanted the people to always maintain (checks and balance?), are as was said earlier, just seen as nothing more than the "blame America crowd."</p><p></p><p>Is it wrong to suggest blame when they see others decrying what is called "socialism" at home but yet these same people advance socialism abroad among a militarily held and captive peoples. As much as some of us object to Statist socialism being imposed on us in the name of, could it be that in the name of human nature, these folks don't want any part of imposed Statist socialism either, especially from a stranger? "But their way of life is so horrible", some would say!</p><p></p><p>Yet again, they seem IMO to put forth the arguement that the Serpent was intervening on behalf of goodness to supply knowledge and food to the straving, the serpent's POV if you will. Ironically the posterity of those the serpent tired to help with both knowledge and sustenance (under the cause for a better way of life and under actual false pretense I might add as again revealed by history) came to revile and hate the serpent and long for the day when his destruction would come!</p><p></p><p>Would to God that some people could finally and once for all remove the yoke from around their necks of the "White Man's Burden!"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>jmo</p><p></p><p>As to Israel and the Arabs, it's long settled by both sides and historical fact that the current dispute is a millenia's old family arguement of birthright title to a promise that is purely based on mythology under the illusion of "revealed religion." We should not be in the middle of it to begin with and it's well settled IMO that either side's claim is based totally and completely on pure mythical fantasy. Marx had a point when he said "religion is the opiate of the masses" or <em>"Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes" </em>and the current conflict between Arab and Jew IMO is some proof of Marx's observations made in reference to Hegel's work. Funny how that same religion would have some idiot blame an earthquake on the victims having previously made a pact with the devil. And we call ourselves advanced?</p><p></p><p>Hmmmmm! I don't think so as I see no evidence to support such conclusions!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 671684, member: 2189"] [URL='http://sanseverything.wordpress.com/2008/02/25/when-conservatives-loved-the-palestinians/'][COLOR=red]When Conservatives Loved the Palestinians[/COLOR][/URL] [media=youtube]bjb5DJjIrho[/media] I guess some people have the mindset that the serpent's actions in the Garden of Eden was a justifiable intervention in that one "might" observe that the serpent was protecting life in that he perceived what he saw as "starvation" and in the name of providing "food" caused horrible and ultimately violent results in the long run by his act of intervention. So often that action would be labeled or "spun" as a liberal action or even cause celeb and a point could be made that way but more and more it's becoming clear IMO that the serpent might have called himself "conservative" instead. Fact is he was neither and then again he was both yet he represents the worse in human nature found no matter where one goes. Would we call that true bi-partisanship? :happy-very: Yet even the serpent's true motive are now understood to be not what at the time they would have seemed. As the years roll by and history reveals herself, this pattern seems to have a cyclical action does it not? I find it so striking that many see gov't (and this IMO is correctly observed) is wrong in taxes, education, economic regulation, climate, and I'm sure others can add a whole host of other items but in the case of the military, foreign policy and warfare, the State seems to never be wrong. All it's actions are always seen in the name of protecting what is good and what is sacred. And you think this almost religious zealotry to an ideal would not be equally shared by others when it comes to their ways of life? Their long held folk ways and customs? The very heavy handed and centralized approach to gov't that many here would oppose within the geographic 50 States of the Union, they seem to turn a blind eye to when the very same gov't uses those avenues on what George Carlin correctly observed as "brown people". Especially when advanced along a certain political line or by a certain faction. If it is so good abroad, then should we not adopt those same practices at home, champion them and proclaim taxation to pay for this approach as good and it's a good American who devotedly serves such ideals? Practice what you preach? But those who dare question gov't in this area (foreign policy and military intervention) and no matter to what degree or consistency, a trait many of the founding fathers wanted the people to always maintain (checks and balance?), are as was said earlier, just seen as nothing more than the "blame America crowd." Is it wrong to suggest blame when they see others decrying what is called "socialism" at home but yet these same people advance socialism abroad among a militarily held and captive peoples. As much as some of us object to Statist socialism being imposed on us in the name of, could it be that in the name of human nature, these folks don't want any part of imposed Statist socialism either, especially from a stranger? "But their way of life is so horrible", some would say! Yet again, they seem IMO to put forth the arguement that the Serpent was intervening on behalf of goodness to supply knowledge and food to the straving, the serpent's POV if you will. Ironically the posterity of those the serpent tired to help with both knowledge and sustenance (under the cause for a better way of life and under actual false pretense I might add as again revealed by history) came to revile and hate the serpent and long for the day when his destruction would come! Would to God that some people could finally and once for all remove the yoke from around their necks of the "White Man's Burden!" jmo As to Israel and the Arabs, it's long settled by both sides and historical fact that the current dispute is a millenia's old family arguement of birthright title to a promise that is purely based on mythology under the illusion of "revealed religion." We should not be in the middle of it to begin with and it's well settled IMO that either side's claim is based totally and completely on pure mythical fantasy. Marx had a point when he said "religion is the opiate of the masses" or [I]"Die Religion ... ist das Opium des Volkes" [/I]and the current conflict between Arab and Jew IMO is some proof of Marx's observations made in reference to Hegel's work. Funny how that same religion would have some idiot blame an earthquake on the victims having previously made a pact with the devil. And we call ourselves advanced? Hmmmmm! I don't think so as I see no evidence to support such conclusions! :wink2: [/QUOTE]
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