Welfare

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by moreluck, Apr 22, 2011.

  1. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    Speaking of welfare....

    I heard the news today that Louisiana is trying to introduce a bill (after several tries) that will require drug testing to receive your welfare check.

    One of the domino effects of a bill like that would be to make the druggies move out of your state. Maybe it'll pass this time around.
     
  2. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    Problem with a Bill like that, is those druggies will call it a disease (which it is).
    So, the state will need to treat them first (pay for rehab).

    And even after rehab, they have more then a good chance being returned to 1 if they fail the drug test.
    So, not only will the state provide welfare, but also housing and food !
     
  3. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    My first thought on this is " YES!!!". My second thought is who is going to pay for the drug tests? They aren't free, someone has to pay for them.
    I can see other possible domino effects.
    One would be an increase of criminal activity to acquire the money the druggies will be loosing.
    Another could be an increase of emergency room visits to get drugs they don't have money to buy them with.
    One more could be having to add one more state agency to monitor the program.

    Besides all that, I don't want La's druggies coming to Texas, we're right next door.
     
  4. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    I do not care how you try to twist it, drug abuse is not a disease. Drug abuse is a choice a person makes. Anyone that consciously uses cocaine( in any of it's forms) or heroine or even recreational pot for that matter, do so knowing what it can and will do to them. The misuse of some legal drugs is often tied to an injury or illness but does not make the misuse a disease.
     
  5. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    I did work p/t in a liqour store, and welfare day (when checks arrived), we always needed an extra person in the store.
    Another observance I made, is on welfare day, the casinos are full, and the slot machines in bars are, too.

    It's disapointing to see these welfare chics spend "their government" money on gambling, then need to feed their kids KD dinner all week, or go to the foodbank.
    The only benefit, I seen out of them gambling, is the fact, that the province gets a big share of their money back ! LOL

    And btw : Seen the same in Florida, too.
    Was wondering why the casino was so packed on a certain day we attended, then I heard that those checks arrived that day.
     
  6. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    It's an addiction, just like alcohol (which is a disease). !
    That's why they have rehab centers !
    If it was only that simple for them to quit, I think they would in most cases.
    But, no , when the money runs out, they need to steal or sell things. It's a horrible life.

    Probably much more addictive then cigarettes, which is hard to imagine.
     
  7. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Where do you think the crackheads or obese go when welfare turns them down? SSI!! Come driver around Syracuse, NY, or any other major city on the 3rd near an Aldi's. Just ask where they get their money, "their check" as they call it. SSI!
     
  8. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    And that is why there should be no checks, just vouchers that can only be redeemed at certain places for certain foods, liquor stores and casinos damn sure wouldn't be on the list.
     
  9. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    I know a woman who uses rehab as a vacation that NYS pays for. They have a turnstile with her name on it. When she get out, she runs for the nearest crack house. All paid for by SSI. She had NO interest in staying clean. Just in keeping those checks rolling in. She will prostitute herself for crack, too. It is a horrible life, but one they chose.
     
  10. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    I lived on the west end of the city of Calgary, before I moved here.
    The Indian Reservation was just a few miles west of me.
    So, basically the first bar and liquor store for them was near me.

    You should have seen the district after welfare day.
    Drove to work in the morning, and everywhere were drunken passed out Natives laying around in the grass fields.

    But the city, like many others grew, and it grew more out west too, so then, it became someone elses problem.
     
  11. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    If you want to use the "disease" excuse, I'll play along for a minute. As you insist that drug abuse is a disease, then it is a self-inflicted disease. No one, without consciously taking a habit forming drug is afflicted with this so-called disease. Before you go the route of "crack babies", we all know that is not what I am talking about. That was done by the choice of someone else, not the baby.
    I am not talking about getting off of illegal drugs or alcohol for that matter. I was talking about people getting on drugs to start with and you dang well know that. The so-called disease of drug addiction doesn't start with someone thinking, " For some reason I feel the need to mainline heroin" or " For the first time in my life I have this craving for some crack". To suggest that is absurd. To alibi bad choices by individuals on disease is like telling a diabetic their lives correspond to people who choose to destroy their bodies and mind. I guess you think smoking cigarettes is a disease too.
     
  12. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    wow, your first post not highlighting just how up north is so much better.
     
  13. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Don't let him suck you in, it's a wily subterfuge.
     
  14. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    They would find a way to abuse that, too. We have debit cars here for food and cash. They still find away around it. Not sure how, but they do. The riff-raff from that New Orleans hurricane is still living in motels and eating off food stamps up here near the NY border to Kingston, Ont. In the 6 years since Katrina, they can't find a job?
     
  15. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Of course they can't find a job, one hasn't come to their door and pulled them to the job site...kickin' and screamin'. We solved the bigger part of the "riff-raff" from Katrina. When it was OK for them to go back, we SENT them back. The ones that wanted to stay and had actual jobs were welcome to stay. The Houston area gained quite a few quality citizens.
     
  16. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    OK, say a drug test costs $50....they fail it....they don't get their $400 check.......We are ahead $350.
     
  17. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

    That's a defeatist attitude.....don't try to stop the fraud because they'll just figure out a way around it. I'm in favor of trying to stop the fraud and save $$$$.
     
  18. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Then the next 10 pass the test and the system is in the hole for 150 bucks. I have no idea what % of recipients would fail the drug test, but it sure wouldn't be all of them. There are some people on public assistance that are actually good people that have, by no fault of their own, been put in a situation where they can't work and need a helping hand. Personally I have no problem with that. It is the abusers, the multi-generational people, the illegal aliens that need to take a hike.
     
  19. moreluck

    moreluck golden ticket member

  20. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    But they can still smoke and drink all they want, and even go to the casinos there !

    I can't care less, actually.
    No regulation will ever make sure the money goes mostly towards the children.