What A Non Union Company Did To My Sister And Hundreds Of Others.

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anonymous6

Guest
Open your eyes up. The problem is that your success is not a product of self initiative -- your success is a derivative of a strong union, which is a product of socialism. Without the Teamsters, you'd be earning similar pay to others in the delivery profession ... e.g. a flat $650-$850/week gross income with no benefits. Like most other old timers, what you don't realize is that in 2013, the job market for persons without a college education is poor. Full time jobs with benefits are rare, and the ones that exist pay low & expect employees' to pay 20%-60% of their premiums (and the low pay often makes them unaffordable, thus they're declined). The Right has attacked employee rights so much that despite (after adjusting for inflation) record corporate profits, record worker productivity and record wages, the overwhelming majority of blue collar & most white collar workers are receiving LESS compensation than they did in years past. Instead, the rich are getting richer.

Even most of the persons hiring into UPS today do not have the same opportunity you did. Most will spend the early reigns of their career on-call, working 3.5-hour shifts for $8.50, then after ten years get an opportunity to drive. But by then the union will likely strike an agreement with UPS in which the wage progression is hiked from three years to ten (or more) years, thus making these people close to retirement before they ever earn top-rate. Given UPS's high labor costs, its absolutely inevitable.

Recent articles floating around demonstrate that Walmart has slashed the number of employees in each store by up to 20%, and is demanding remaining staff pick-up the slack, writing up, suspending & terminating employees who don't meet certain performance figures. And 10-year Walmart employees barely earn $20,000/year on average -- a wage less than the raise you've received over that time period, yet most people on here insist is "not keeping up with inflation." And no matter what level of arrogance you maintain -- that you're the hardest working group of people on the planet, and Walmart employees scratch their butt all day -- we need people to work at our grocery stores, gas stations, retail outlets, etc. And if we continue to pay them $15K-$20K with no benefits for full-time work, ultimately the middle class will continue to be responsible for taking care of them.

If you don't like status quo, stop voting for the extreme Right-wing politicians who created it. Welfare ranks swelled in this country the past decade while the Right wing controlled a record number of state legislatures & governorship as well as the White House & Congress. Maybe the falling compensation - alongside record corporate earnings - has something to do with it?

and people say unions have outlived their usefulness?
 

satellitedriver

Moderator
Open your eyes up. The problem is that your success is not a product of self initiative -- your success is a derivative of a strong union, which is a product of socialism. Without the Teamsters, you'd be earning similar pay to others in the delivery profession ... e.g. a flat $650-$850/week gross income with no benefits. Like most other old timers, what you don't realize is that in 2013, the job market for persons without a college education is poor. Full time jobs with benefits are rare, and the ones that exist pay low & expect employees' to pay 20%-60% of their premiums (and the low pay often makes them unaffordable, thus they're declined). The Right has attacked employee rights so much that despite (after adjusting for inflation) record corporate profits, record worker productivity and record wages, the overwhelming majority of blue collar & most white collar workers are receiving LESS compensation than they did in years past. Instead, the rich are getting richer.

Even most of the persons hiring into UPS today do not have the same opportunity you did. Most will spend the early reigns of their career on-call, working 3.5-hour shifts for $8.50, then after ten years get an opportunity to drive. But by then the union will likely strike an agreement with UPS in which the wage progression is hiked from three years to ten (or more) years, thus making these people close to retirement before they ever earn top-rate. Given UPS's high labor costs, its absolutely inevitable.

Recent articles floating around demonstrate that Walmart has slashed the number of employees in each store by up to 20%, and is demanding remaining staff pick-up the slack, writing up, suspending & terminating employees who don't meet certain performance figures. And 10-year Walmart employees barely earn $20,000/year on average -- a wage less than the raise you've received over that time period, yet most people on here insist is "not keeping up with inflation." And no matter what level of arrogance you maintain -- that you're the hardest working group of people on the planet, and Walmart employees scratch their butt all day -- we need people to work at our grocery stores, gas stations, retail outlets, etc. And if we continue to pay them $15K-$20K with no benefits for full-time work, ultimately the middle class will continue to be responsible for taking care of them.

If you don't like status quo, stop voting for the extreme Right-wing politicians who created it. Welfare ranks swelled in this country the past decade while the Right wing controlled a record number of state legislatures & governorship as well as the White House & Congress. Maybe the falling compensation - alongside record corporate earnings - has something to do with it?
Sorry, but you are a dipstick.
"The problem is that your success is not a product of self initiative -- your success is a derivative of a strong union, which is a product of socialism."
This simplistic mentality has always boggled my mind.
:censored2:,
I could give you the full litany of how I have gained my success, but your socialist pea brain would not understand working 18hrs a day 7 days a week, to achieve a goal.





 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Sorry, but you are a dipstick.
"The problem is that your success is not a product of self initiative -- your success is a derivative of a strong union, which is a product of socialism."
This simplistic mentality has always boggled my mind.
:censored2:,
I could give you the full litany of how I have gained my success, but your socialist pea brain would not understand working 18hrs a day 7 days a week, to achieve a goal.






Wow, I thought you were talking to TOS but you were talking to a great big zero.

Hmmmm, that could still be TOS!
 

ocnewguy

Well-Known Member
Sorry, but you are a dipstick.
"The problem is that your success is not a product of self initiative -- your success is a derivative of a strong union, which is a product of socialism."
This simplistic mentality has always boggled my mind.
:censored2:,
I could give you the full litany of how I have gained my success, but your socialist pea brain would not understand working 18hrs a day 7 days a week, to achieve a goal.






Is there no middle ground anymore? It's either the "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" crowd on one side or "let the government take care of me" group on the other.
 

Bagels

Family Leave Fridays!!!
Sorry, but you are a dipstick.
"The problem is that your success is not a product of self initiative -- your success is a derivative of a strong union, which is a product of socialism."
This simplistic mentality has always boggled my mind.
:censored2:,
I could give you the full litany of how I have gained my success, but your socialist pea brain would not understand working 18hrs a day 7 days a week, to achieve a goal.






Children retort to childish name calling - please respond to the argument. But it does help explain why you believe, sans union, you'd be earning nearly $33/hour with full, no-cost benefits. You're right -- the union has nothing to do with it... you're worth it and can do so much more than some 25-year-old kid drolling of your job....
 

satellitedriver

Moderator
Children retort to childish name calling - please respond to the argument. But it does help explain why you believe, sans union, you'd be earning nearly $33/hour with full, no-cost benefits. You're right -- the union has nothing to do with it... you're worth it and can do so much more than some 25-year-old kid drolling of your job....
Childish?
Accurate would be the word.
:censored2:, was kinda crude, so I will refrain from that term and be more politically correct.

Dayoldusedcharmintissue,
You can only depend on the union for your "paycheck".
I, on the other hand, went to work for UPS, without knowing it was unionized.
I left a job/career that had better benefits/pay to follow a lifestyle goal.
1997 was my wake up call to take my financial future into my own hands.
Since that day I have given what I paid to the union as dues, to charity.
Money well spent.
-( I had gotten lazy and thought I could just be a union man)-
To get back to what you call an argument,
I could make double, to triple, the money I make at UPS by being a Jury Consultant.
If I needed the money I would do it, but I saved and invested all that union money and do not need it.
And, Yes my 60yr old ass is worth what I do.
Children drool over things they want, not a 25yr old man/woman working for a living.
Ain't that childish of them.





 

Bagels

Family Leave Fridays!!!
Childish?
Accurate would be the word.
:censored2:, was kinda crude, so I will refrain from that term and be more politically correct.

Dayoldusedcharmintissue,
You can only depend on the union for your "paycheck".
I, on the other hand, went to work for UPS, without knowing it was unionized.
I left a job/career that had better benefits/pay to follow a lifestyle goal.
1997 was my wake up call to take my financial future into my own hands.
Since that day I have given what I paid to the union as dues, to charity.
Money well spent.
-( I had gotten lazy and thought I could just be a union man)-
To get back to what you call an argument,
I could make double, to triple, the money I make at UPS by being a Jury Consultant.
If I needed the money I would do it, but I saved and invested all that union money and do not need it.
And, Yes my 60yr old ass is worth what I do.
Children drool over things they want, not a 25yr old man/woman working for a living.
Ain't that childish of them.


Stop being so ignorant. You have no special talents or abilities to justify the pay day you receive at UPS -- absolutely none. There are oodles of persons in their 20s and 30s who are willing and able to do your job as well as you for less than HALF the compensation you receive, as that's the economy we live in. For comparison's sake, there are huge shortages & tens of thousands of unfilled jobs in professions such as accounting, engineering, etc. -- jobs yielding similar compensation as yours. Your pay day is a derivative of a UNION, which is a derivative of a SOCIALISM. In a pure capitalist economy, we'd all be earning Walmart wages, grow up without a government-paid education, etc.

Stop being naive. I fully support driver's compensation, and feel that union's are necessary for workers to earn fair compensation for their work. But you believe you have some type of divine talent necessary to complete the hardest job on the planet. You don't. Thank the union for your financial success at UPS, and thank yourself for having discovered it.
 
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anonymous6

Guest
my sister emailed that she had to sign an agreement that she would not disparage the co. or she would be sued.

how's that for adding insult to injury.

**** Farmers.\!!
 

satellitedriver

Moderator
Stop being so ignorant. You have no special talents or abilities to justify the pay day you receive at UPS -- absolutely none. There are oodles of persons in their 20s and 30s who are willing and able to do your job as well as you for less than HALF the compensation you receive, as that's the economy we live in. For comparison's sake, there are huge shortages & tens of thousands of unfilled jobs in professions such as accounting, engineering, etc. -- jobs yielding similar compensation as yours. Your pay day is a derivative of a UNION, which is a derivative of a SOCIALISM. In a pure capitalist economy, we'd all be earning Walmart wages, grow up without a government-paid education, etc.

Stop being naive. I fully support driver's compensation, and feel that union's are necessary for workers to earn fair compensation for their work. But you believe you have some type of divine talent necessary to complete the hardest job on the planet. You don't. Thank the union for your financial success at UPS, and thank yourself for having discovered it.
You must be young and have very little real world job experience.
Stop being so ignorant. My tested IQ is 140.
Stop being naive. I left home at 17yrs old and have paid my own way, with many various jobs ever since.
But you believe you have some type of divine talent necessary to complete the hardest job on the planet.
Hardest Job on the planet?
What in the hell have you been smoking?
Being a UPS driver for 27yrs is the easiest job I have had in the past 43yrs.

I hope the union saves you, because, that is all you have to hope for and it will control the rest of your life.

 

Bagels

Family Leave Fridays!!!
You must be young and have very little real world job experience.
Stop being so ignorant. My tested IQ is 140.
Stop being naive. I left home at 17yrs old and have paid my own way, with many various jobs ever since.
But you believe you have some type of divine talent necessary to complete the hardest job on the planet.
Hardest Job on the planet?
What in the hell have you been smoking?
Being a UPS driver for 27yrs is the easiest job I have had in the past 43yrs.

I hope the union saves you, because, that is all you have to hope for and it will control the rest of your life.


Get over yourself. Earlier you wrote that you lived in a trailer park with little money toward your name before working for UPS. You credit your success to your "self-initiative" while discrediting the union's role. But despite what your parents (guardians) may have told you, you're not special. Oodles of people are capable of doing your job & replacing you; you were fortunate enough to land menial work at a high-paying union job. If UPS paid like FedEx Ground, you clearly wouldn't be in the same position you are in today. Oh, but let me guess... your 140 IQ would've earned you nearly $33/hour and full benefits at FedEx Ground as well, right? Since you probably also believe Santa Claus exists, tell him to bring me Kate Upton for Christmas.
 

satellitedriver

Moderator
Get over yourself. Earlier you wrote that you lived in a trailer park with little money toward your name before working for UPS. You credit your success to your "self-initiative" while discrediting the union's role. But despite what your parents (guardians) may have told you, you're not special. Oodles of people are capable of doing your job & replacing you; you were fortunate enough to land menial work at a high-paying union job. If UPS paid like FedEx Ground, you clearly wouldn't be in the same position you are in today. Oh, but let me guess... your 140 IQ would've earned you nearly $33/hour and full benefits at FedEx Ground as well, right? Since you probably also believe Santa Claus exists, tell him to bring me Kate Upton for Christmas.
Yes, I could have made more money, but I chose a lifestyle.
I wish you well, in your union controlled world.


 

Bagels

Family Leave Fridays!!!
Yes, I could have made more money, but I chose a lifestyle.
I wish you well, in your union controlled world.

LOL! I'm calling B.S. I've yet to meet a single UPSer who stayed here for any other reason but the money. The lifestyle? Working 10-12-hour shifts performing back-breaking work that's undoubtedly going to make our bodies miserable in our Senior Years? Please.

And this "union-controlled" job places FT UPSers within the 15% of all wage earns in the USA, as well as the top 10% in total compensation -- for MENAIL work. I'm curious as to what divine skills you have that would've earned you more in a non-union job, given that -- according to you -- you were poor when you started working for UPS.
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
Working until 10 every night is a lifestyle?

Is there anyone here who knows any driver in their building working until 10?? That doesn't even happen at peak. I would be calling corporate if someone fron ups or FedEx tried delivering anything to be at 10...especially ringing the doorbell.
 

Brown Dog

Brown since 81
Ah, Satellite, Long time no talk. Always the voice of reason, intellect, and frankness. It's always a treat to read your posts. Thanks
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
LOL! I'm calling B.S. I've yet to meet a single UPSer who stayed here for any other reason but the money. The lifestyle? Working 10-12-hour shifts performing back-breaking work that's undoubtedly going to make our bodies miserable in our Senior Years? Please.

And this "union-controlled" job places FT UPSers within the 15% of all wage earns in the USA, as well as the top 10% in total compensation -- for MENAIL work. I'm curious as to what divine skills you have that would've earned you more in a non-union job, given that -- according to you -- you were poor when you started working for UPS.

Perhaps you should research what "life-style" means.
​It has nothing to do with one's job except the job helps support a "life-style".
 
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RealPerson

Well-Known Member
just ranting here and totally helpless to do anything about it.


My sister worked for Farmers Insurance for over 30 years and was let go along with hundreds of other high seniority employees 9 months before her 55th birthday and her full pension is gone..

so now she just gets a small fraction of her pension ( company run ) and has to start all over again in life. this , i found out, is a fairly common business practise at Farmers and probably other huge non union companies.

just pisses me off 100 fold and i can't do anything about it.

Welcome to a right to work state! Happens to LOTS of People in Right to work.. Or if a company files bankruptcy. Coleman for example.
 
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