what did karl marx speak about?

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by rickyb, Mar 29, 2015.

  1. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member



    david graeber, noam chomsky, richard wolff all say marx gave a critique and analysis of capitalism. he had very little to say about socialism. so when you are trying to reach a conclusion about something, it makes sense to get a variety of perspectives and theories and then triangulate your opinion.
     
  2. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    I remember one chapter where he warned against ignorant Canadians!
     
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  3. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    http://nypost.com/2015/03/28/google-controls-what-we-buy-the-news-we-read-and-obamas-policies/
    A former Google officer is the president’s chief technology adviser. Google employees contributed more to President Obama’s re-election than did employees of any other company except Microsoft. Google lobbyists met with Obama White House officials 230 times. By comparison, lobbyists from rival Comcast have been admitted to the inner sanctum a mere 20 or so times in the same period.
    Oh, and on Election Night 2012, guess where Google executive chairman Eric Schmidt was? Working for the president. In the president’s campaign office. On a voter-turnout system designed to help the president get re-elected.

    Google says that in the future, its determinations about what is true and what is untrue will play a role in how search-engine rankings are configured.

    Google has the power to bump an article it doesn’t like off the table and under the rug. Even moving information off the first page of search results would effectively neutralize it: According to a 2013 study, 91.5 percent of Google search users click through on a first-page result .
     
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  4. Obama?
     
  5. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Marx insisted that Capitalism would have to run it's course and fail miserably resulting in the "uprising of the proletariat". This was not something he saw as evident in China or the Soviet Union but in the US. In my opinion, he failed to see the possible permutations and combinations economic and political machinations as have become evidenced in the world today.
     
  6. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Interesting that you quoted Marx. Communism lost. Capitalism won. Which doesn't do much to support anything he wrote.
     
  7. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    have you seen interstellar? thats the ecological crisis we are facing in the next few decades because of capitalism. if capitalism was able to be ecologically sustainable i would say it wasnt a total failure. but its not. and actually he commented on it that capitalism is a revolutionary force consuming everything until it consumes itself. brilliant.
     
  8. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Interstellar was just a bad movie. How about sticking to facts?
     
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  9. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    u first
     
  10. Baba gounj

    Baba gounj pensioner

    quite immature
     
  11. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    I already did.
     
  12. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    That just shows he has no facts.
     
  13. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    daddy?
     
  14. realbrown1

    realbrown1 Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.

    You have issues.

    You don't even see it.

    You think the world should be here to help you out.

    You just don't want to believe that you are on your own.

    You will get out of this world what you are able to earn for yourself.

    And you are not going to be able to earn much while you are unemployed living in mom and dad's basement.

    And you won't be able to get or hold a good job with your jaded attitude.
     
  15. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member


    strongly influenced by karl marx theory
     
  16. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Even stronger Marx influence.
     
  17. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    enlighten us.
     
  18. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    u should start a separate thread for ricky bobby. this is off topic.
     
  19. rickyb

    rickyb Well-Known Member

    Theories differ according to which of the factors shaping price they focus on. Marx and Marxists, for example, focus on the labor needed to produce a commodity. They recognize the other factors, but believe that special insights into the economy and society become available if one uses a labor-focused approach. This approach was first used extensively by Adam Smith and David Ricardo, the founders of economics as a discipline and both avid supporters and even celebrators of capitalism. Marx borrowed (with fullsome praise for them) what they called the labor theory of value. But Marx used it in ways Smith and Ricardo had not done. Marx used it to show that the value added by the worker when he/she worked was always greater, in capitalism, than the value of the wage paid to the worker for his/her work. That difference between the value added by the worker (realized by the employer when the commodity is sold) and the value paid to that worker is, for Marx and Marxists, the source of profit. They call it a "surplus." Capitalism is thus an economic system founded upon the delivery of a surplus by workers to capitalists and that surplus delivery, Marx and Marxists show, has all sorts of consequences for capitalist societies. The production of surpluses by the majority and their receipt and use by a different group of people, indeed a minority, is what Marx and Marxists call exploitation. They find it unjust, they find its economic and social consequences unjust and wasteful of nature and human resources, and they work to change society in the belief that societies can and should do better than capitalism.
     
  20. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    There is no pure capitalism or communism. I don't know how you say one won and the other lost. The communists in China do capitalism very, very well.
     
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