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<blockquote data-quote="diesel96" data-source="post: 382882" data-attributes="member: 9859"><p>I'm trying to figure out why your so willing to give your gov't "carte blanche" as far as your freedom of privacy. Maybe I'm sterotyping, but aren't non-conservatives types the ones who depend on gov't for everything.</p><p> </p><p>The issue is not about giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Instead, does any President, have the right to unilaterally decide what does and does not constitute a threat to national security? We are a Republic founded on the principle that the power of the Federal Government is limited. It does not matter if George W. Bush is sincere or his intentions benign. What matters is his past practices has chosen to ignore the Fourth Amendment because he, and he alone, has decided that the end justifies the means.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Wrong Again BigA.....another emotional response.</p><p>US spy agencies act like a giant vacuum cleaner, sucking in signals/communications from around the globe and now unwarranted, here domestically. So what is Bush up to? Allowing unfettered data mining on domestic targets without probable cause. </p><p>An old fashioned "fishing" trip. You cast out a net and pull it in, picking over the contents, and hoping you snared the oyster with the big pearl. This nonsense works in a Tom Clancy novel but not in the real world. Even with the most robust computer power you have no simple way to find "actionable intelligence".</p><p>If you don't exploit that information it is useless. Don't be surprised to discover that most of the info collected by the NSA is never exploited.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It would also be useful to have the phone numbers and emails used by known bad guys. But even this explanation does not hold water. Why? Because if you have phone numbers/emails that were used by known terrorists there is not a FISA judge in the history of the program who would deny the Government a chance to find out what the terrorist pen pals were doing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="diesel96, post: 382882, member: 9859"] I'm trying to figure out why your so willing to give your gov't "carte blanche" as far as your freedom of privacy. Maybe I'm sterotyping, but aren't non-conservatives types the ones who depend on gov't for everything. The issue is not about giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Instead, does any President, have the right to unilaterally decide what does and does not constitute a threat to national security? We are a Republic founded on the principle that the power of the Federal Government is limited. It does not matter if George W. Bush is sincere or his intentions benign. What matters is his past practices has chosen to ignore the Fourth Amendment because he, and he alone, has decided that the end justifies the means. Wrong Again BigA.....another emotional response. US spy agencies act like a giant vacuum cleaner, sucking in signals/communications from around the globe and now unwarranted, here domestically. So what is Bush up to? Allowing unfettered data mining on domestic targets without probable cause. An old fashioned "fishing" trip. You cast out a net and pull it in, picking over the contents, and hoping you snared the oyster with the big pearl. This nonsense works in a Tom Clancy novel but not in the real world. Even with the most robust computer power you have no simple way to find "actionable intelligence". If you don't exploit that information it is useless. Don't be surprised to discover that most of the info collected by the NSA is never exploited. It would also be useful to have the phone numbers and emails used by known bad guys. But even this explanation does not hold water. Why? Because if you have phone numbers/emails that were used by known terrorists there is not a FISA judge in the history of the program who would deny the Government a chance to find out what the terrorist pen pals were doing. [/QUOTE]
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