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What is our incentive to join the teamsters?
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<blockquote data-quote="hoser" data-source="post: 155882" data-attributes="member: 6357"><p>Yes, product that's of higher quality yet made by employees that don't have powerful unions that allow them to make more money for their unskilled labour than someone like a Registered Nurse, police officer, or paramedic. I believe in workers rights, but not the Scandanavian vision of protectionism, which ends up hurting more people than it helps.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Money grows on trees.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I used the airline as an example of how scheduling worked out. You're mentioning scheduling, so I gave an example of an airline, and how unionized shops were a lot different when it came to scheduling than non-union shops, in that shift-bidding is a major pain in the ass, unless you're king of the hill. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>They obviously are if 95% of corporations are compliant. And if they're not, your friends, labor lawyers, would be of great help.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>No, I meant corporate culture. But I guess that's a foreign term to a union apologist. And if Wal-Mart was unionized, you wouldn't be saying our culture is being destroyed. After all, they would make $20/hr. Hyper-inflation helps offset cultural deterioration.</p><p></p><p>Unions are like for-profit corporations. They have good things, bad things to them. If you see unions are the knight in shining armor and the for-profit corporations as the monster (or the other way around), then you're a reactionary, and need to crack open a textbook. I'm just giving my $0.02. Unions are the result of employee treatment, and if that's the destiny of UPS-Freight employees as the result of the conditions they are under, so be it. Now if UPS-friend is like FedEx Express, hah, well, good luck, hopefully your organization learned from your abysmal failures of the 1980s (huh? wha? <em>everyone</em> that works there believes in the company more than union rhetoric?) </p><p></p><p>I just dislike unions (or for profit corporations) forcing, coercing, and intimidating people to join (or not to join) because it's in the "employee's best interest". Employee, of course, is teamster (or for-profit corporation) for "bank account".</p><p></p><p></p><p>The village idiot, like a politician, emits noise for popularity points.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Cute. Managers getting outsourced to Asia. That sounds almost as hilarious (and short sighted) as the doomsday predictions that everything will be outsourced and all hell will break loose because of NAFTA. Kinda like how my mom told me in the early 90s that in 2005, my bank teller will be a computer (hasn't happened; demand for human contact is going up) or that business travel would decline with the .com boom and internet (it's increased). So your theory that managers will get outsourced to China based on media hype, is, union like fear mongering. I don't see what growing up has to do with this, despite being your 'pal', but I'll be sure to work on that for the degree holding ups driver.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hoser, post: 155882, member: 6357"] Yes, product that's of higher quality yet made by employees that don't have powerful unions that allow them to make more money for their unskilled labour than someone like a Registered Nurse, police officer, or paramedic. I believe in workers rights, but not the Scandanavian vision of protectionism, which ends up hurting more people than it helps. Money grows on trees. I used the airline as an example of how scheduling worked out. You're mentioning scheduling, so I gave an example of an airline, and how unionized shops were a lot different when it came to scheduling than non-union shops, in that shift-bidding is a major pain in the ass, unless you're king of the hill. They obviously are if 95% of corporations are compliant. And if they're not, your friends, labor lawyers, would be of great help. No, I meant corporate culture. But I guess that's a foreign term to a union apologist. And if Wal-Mart was unionized, you wouldn't be saying our culture is being destroyed. After all, they would make $20/hr. Hyper-inflation helps offset cultural deterioration. Unions are like for-profit corporations. They have good things, bad things to them. If you see unions are the knight in shining armor and the for-profit corporations as the monster (or the other way around), then you're a reactionary, and need to crack open a textbook. I'm just giving my $0.02. Unions are the result of employee treatment, and if that's the destiny of UPS-Freight employees as the result of the conditions they are under, so be it. Now if UPS-friend is like FedEx Express, hah, well, good luck, hopefully your organization learned from your abysmal failures of the 1980s (huh? wha? [I]everyone[/I] that works there believes in the company more than union rhetoric?) I just dislike unions (or for profit corporations) forcing, coercing, and intimidating people to join (or not to join) because it's in the "employee's best interest". Employee, of course, is teamster (or for-profit corporation) for "bank account". The village idiot, like a politician, emits noise for popularity points. Cute. Managers getting outsourced to Asia. That sounds almost as hilarious (and short sighted) as the doomsday predictions that everything will be outsourced and all hell will break loose because of NAFTA. Kinda like how my mom told me in the early 90s that in 2005, my bank teller will be a computer (hasn't happened; demand for human contact is going up) or that business travel would decline with the .com boom and internet (it's increased). So your theory that managers will get outsourced to China based on media hype, is, union like fear mongering. I don't see what growing up has to do with this, despite being your 'pal', but I'll be sure to work on that for the degree holding ups driver. [/QUOTE]
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