What the hell is wrong with people ?

[The-UK-Guy]

I woke up this morning feeling pretty blue, i'ts pay day at Cerritos hub on Thursdays, unfortunately its going to be my last check for a few months because I was s*#t canned Last Friday. My wife and I jumped in my truck and headed down to the hub to return my uniforms, which LP/Security informed me as I was escorted out the gates Friday, needed to be turned in before the end of the week or the police would be notified that I had stolen company property. Whatever ! (as you can see we have an emplyee who takes her job really seriously)
I figured I`d kill two birds with one stone and trade my browns for my paycheck.
We arrived at the Hub and I headed towards the entrance where i noticed a large group of people waiting outside the guard shack, I guess it was all the prospective new Hires.
As well as 30-40 newbies there was 2 sups 2 guards and a member of LP/Security who was undoubtedly waiting for me to make sure there were no problems (at least that's how I was made to feel)
As I walked closer to the entrance I noticed everyone's attention was focused towards the middle of the group and towards the ground. I glanced down and to my horror there was a young man, no more than 22 flopping around and bleeding on the floor. Both his eyes were rolled back, he was bleeding from the head,foaming at the mouth and was seizuring so hard that both his shoes had been kicked off. He was sitting up and then falling down uncontrollably hitting his already bleeding head repeatedly on the ground. " How long has he been like this I asked " Someone in the crowd replied " oh a few minutes "
I was so disgusted, there must have been almost 50 people watching this poor kid and no one had lifted a finger to help.
I immediately grabbed him and rolled him over on his side holding his neck and head against me so he couldn't hurt himself any more .
" Your not supposed to touch someone having a seizure " one of the sups yelled to me. (your not supposed to drink beer in the office either I felt like saying ) " I know Idiot, but he`s hurting himself " I replied.
This poor kid fitted for more than 9 minutes, I volunteer with mental y challenged adults have seen many seizures but this one was extremely bad. Can you believe that while I was holding this kid on the ground the Sup carried on with his orientation and walked everyone into the building !!!!
I don't know whether people are to scared of being sued, just don't know what to do or are so wrapped up in themselves that they don`t give a damn about anyone else. The fact that 2 sups and a member of LP/security/safety were fully aware of what was going on but didn't do anything to help (except call 911) is just unbelievable to me. I was saddened and sickened by the whole event.
I put his shoes on for him, told him he probably didn't want to work here anyway and waited till the paramedics came and took over.
I grabbed my check and walked back to my truck where my poor wife was waiting with the engine running, " I saw the ambulance and fire truck " she said " I thought you beat the s@$t out of the ass*%#$$)es that fired you "
she said with a very concerned look on her face " Did you "
I left UPS this morning feeling very sad , but I guess no matter how bad you think you have it , someone out there has it worse.

 

[atatbl]

Sad story. And to answer your question: A lot.

 

[Fnix]

I thought people in Europe were nicer. Guess they are the same as here.

 

[But Benefits Are Great!]

I've seen a pattern -

When people are in groups (4-5 or more) usually nobody steps forward to help anyone - it is the sheep-herd mentality, whereas these same people, if alone, will jump in to help. Lady with a flat on the side of the road, I always stop.

Also, some people in your situation today - fright, just not knowing what to do, expecting someone in charge to do something maybe?

 

[pkgdriver]

UK Guy-excellent job.

Fnix-What's Europe got to do with this?

 

[helenofcalifornia]

Ditto, UK Guy, excellent job!! And the Europe comment? I hope you are back working at UPS soon.

 

[Re-Raise]

UK Guy-excellent job.

Fnix-What's Europe got to do with this?

I am just guessing but Fnix probably thought the UK stood for United Kingdom

 

[MonavieLeaker]

UK Guy is from the UK

 

[The-UK-Guy]

I thought people in Europe were nicer. Guess they are the same as here.

They are nicer i live in California now

 

[soberups]

I'm sure that the UPS sups would have been willing to help the poor guy, but unfortunately I.E. hasnt yet come up with a time allowance for dealing with a siezure.

 

[tieguy]

Kudo's for helping that person.

I'm sitting back pondering your present situation. You're a complex individual that seems to have found a way to paint a bulls eye on your backside either intentionally or unintentionally. I then see this post which clearly shows you have compassion for your fellow man.

I tried to listen to the video but the sound is pretty bad. Never knew you could record conversations with a cell phone. Did they question it at all when you fumbled with your phone or did you set it up before you entered the office?

I think you need to find a lawyer to at least ensure you are on firm ground with the recording of the conversation and the posting of the video on public sites.

No shop steward present when you were discharged or was there a union employee present to witness the proceedings?

Where was your center manager during the interview? Its odd that he/she was not present with the LP person when the interview was conducted.

have you recieved any extra attention/talk withs/ audits since you have been back or did this completely blindside you?

Why did they say the signature was falsified? LP folks will usually get a statement from a customer denying the signature before they accuse you of falsification.

 

[helenofcalifornia]

Tie, that was a great post. One of the most helpful posts here. UK Guy, did this post from Tie help you? Tell us if they followed these rules in firing you. Again, great post Tie. And with no sarcasm. Unbelievable.

 

[rod]

LP lives in their own little world. I once was accussed of stealing $90.00 worth of baby clothes that was driver released at the home of the owner of a downtown store. (it WAS addressed to his house). Funny thing was it was all the same thing ( 10 of the same baby outfit - same size - same color and same everything) . This happened just after my son was born so I was automatically accused. Turns out the garbage man took it ( yes I should have found a better place to leave it other than at the back door with the garbage cans about 10 feet away) but at the time I didn't realize they had such an efficiant garbage person. P.S. It always amazed me that they would think a driver would be SO stupid as to record a package and then steal it but they do that crap all too often.

 

[tieguy]

LP lives in their own little world. I once was accussed of stealing $90.00 worth of baby clothes that was driver released at the home of the owner of a downtown store. (it WAS addressed to his house). Funny thing was it was all the same thing ( 10 of the same baby outfit - same size - same color and same everything) . This happened just after my son was born so I was automatically accused. Turns out the garbage man took it ( yes I should have found a better place to leave it other than at the back door with the garbage cans about 10 feet away) but at the time I didn't realize they had such an efficiant garbage person. P.S. It always amazed me that they would think a driver would be SO stupid as to record a package and then steal it but they do that crap all too often.

I've briefly worked the LP job before. there are a lot of good people in the job and there are some who can't do anything else. Its a job where you see so much theft and dishonesty that you have to guard against the mindset that everyone is a thief. I hated the job overall because its turned into the glorified audit clerk position where you used to be the closest thing to a police detective at ups.

But this case here is not about LP . A falsified signature is actually pretty cut and dried. Either they get a statement from the customer denying the signature is theirs or UK is home free. What worries me is UK says something about taking shortcuts in another post . I hope this was not one of his shortcuts.

 

[soberups]

I've briefly worked the LP job before. there are a lot of good people in the job and there are some who can't do anything else. Its a job where you see so much theft and dishonesty that you have to guard against the mindset that everyone is a thief. .

The other problem for an LP person is that he has to continually justify his own job. The LP person that doesnt find anyone to fire...may wind up getting fired himself. If someone is hired to find dirt, they had better come up with it, or whoever is signing their check might start wondering what they are paying good money for.

We had an LP guy who was a cop wannabe. He never worked in packages, and I think he tried and failed at the police academy. One of his biggest drawbacks was his total ignorance of the contract and the rights of the employee covered under it.

LP is a necessary position, but I think that some experience as an on-car sup or center manager should be a prerequisite.

 

[soberups]

. A falsified signature is actually pretty cut and dried. Either they get a statement from the customer denying the signature is theirs or UK is home free.

I would hope there is more to it than that. Many of the signiatures I get are totally illegible. A customer could honestly and legitimately deny that such a signiature was theirs when in fact it was. I think you would also need to document a missing package with high-value goods. Joe Schmoe denying that he scribbled his intitials for a missing box of nuts and bolts at a bulk stop 3 months prior should not be terminable offense.

 

[Channahon]

Understanding UK guy was out on disability for awhile, and with his previous termination for the beer and taco incident, I would guess LP would review previous deliveries, by substitute drivers to the stop in question.

LP will look at patterns in deliveries, and if UK guy is the only driver who gets illegible signatures at the same stop, well that's a concern.

LP departments review all investigations with Division and Labor Managers prior to interviews and terminations.
Which by the way, the decision to terminate is the Division Manager, not LP. LP provides the documentation.

And I don't understand why UK guy didnt refuse to be spoken to by any member of UPS management without a steward or other union employee.

Especially being a union employee for 15 years at UPS

 

[tieguy]

The other problem for an LP person is that he has to continually justify his own job. The LP person that doesnt find anyone to fire...may wind up getting fired himself. If someone is hired to find dirt, they had better come up with it, or whoever is signing their check might start wondering what they are paying good money for.

Sober,
thats a part of it but not as much as you think. Any LP worth their salt will get plenty of terms from package handlers stealing. Package handlers generally are not sophisticated enough to cover their tracks and leave a trail pointing right at them. LP folks don't really need to look for it plenty of opportunity will come their way. This is not the case of a desperate LP person needing a kill.

We don't have a gestapo going on fishing expeditions. There was probably a claims problem here that started the investigation. It may have been on UK's route or near it. Once the information is all pulled as Chanahan says its pretty much cut and dried and will show a pattern. A case built on a customer signing with his initials one time is not going to hold up at the panel.

 

[retiredupsers]

I woke up this morning feeling pretty blue, i'ts pay day at Cerritos hub on Thursdays, unfortunately its going to be my last check for a few months because I was s*#t canned Last Friday. My wife and I jumped in my truck and headed down to the hub to return my uniforms, which LP/Security informed me as I was escorted out the gates Friday, needed to be turned in before the end of the week or the police would be notified that I had stolen company property. Whatever ! (as you can see we have an emplyee who takes her job really seriously)
I figured I`d kill two birds with one stone and trade my browns for my paycheck.
We arrived at the Hub and I headed towards the entrance where i noticed a large group of people waiting outside the guard shack, I guess it was all the prospective new Hires.
As well as 30-40 newbies there was 2 sups 2 guards and a member of LP/Security who was undoubtedly waiting for me to make sure there were no problems (at least that's how I was made to feel)
As I walked closer to the entrance I noticed everyone's attention was focused towards the middle of the group and towards the ground. I glanced down and to my horror there was a young man, no more than 22 flopping around and bleeding on the floor. Both his eyes were rolled back, he was bleeding from the head,foaming at the mouth and was seizuring so hard that both his shoes had been kicked off. He was sitting up and then falling down uncontrollably hitting his already bleeding head repeatedly on the ground. " How long has he been like this I asked " Someone in the crowd replied " oh a few minutes "
I was so disgusted, there must have been almost 50 people watching this poor kid and no one had lifted a finger to help.
I immediately grabbed him and rolled him over on his side holding his neck and head against me so he couldn't hurt himself any more .
" Your not supposed to touch someone having a seizure " one of the sups yelled to me. (your not supposed to drink beer in the office either I felt like saying ) " I know Idiot, but he`s hurting himself " I replied.
This poor kid fitted for more than 9 minutes, I volunteer with mental y challenged adults have seen many seizures but this one was extremely bad. Can you believe that while I was holding this kid on the ground the Sup carried on with his orientation and walked everyone into the building !!!!
I don't know whether people are to scared of being sued, just don't know what to do or are so wrapped up in themselves that they don`t give a damn about anyone else. The fact that 2 sups and a member of LP/security/safety were fully aware of what was going on but didn't do anything to help (except call 911) is just unbelievable to me. I was saddened and sickened by the whole event.
I put his shoes on for him, told him he probably didn't want to work here anyway and waited till the paramedics came and took over.
I grabbed my check and walked back to my truck where my poor wife was waiting with the engine running, " I saw the ambulance and fire truck " she said " I thought you beat the s@ out of the ass*%#$$)es that fired you "
she said with a very concerned look on her face " Did you "
I left UPS this morning feeling very sad , but I guess no matter how bad you think you have it , someone out there has it worse.

 

[trplnkl]

UK, unfortunately we are now living in the " Instant gratification, what's in it for ME" age. People today (mostly younger) want what they want and they want it NOW. Too many also thing that if there isn't something in a situation to benefit them, they aren't interested at all. IT's sad, disgusting but too true, we see it everyday.

Now I know that all young people aren't like this, KUDOS to their parents.