Home
Forums
New posts
Search forums
What's new
New posts
Latest activity
Members
Current visitors
Log in
Register
What's new
Search
Search
Search titles only
By:
New posts
Search forums
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe UPS Forum
UPS Union Issues
Whats so Bad about this Contract?
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="9c1" data-source="post: 265861" data-attributes="member: 12784"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Hi, I was doing some research on the proposed contract today and stumbled across this website. I'm a management employee in the Pacific Northwest (I won't say which hub, for fear of being fired) and I think the contract is a huge step in the wrong direction (toward a cliff.)</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">My main argument is that it does little or nothing for the part time employees. As everybody knows, the company's foundation is the part time hourlies. They represent over two thirds of the total number of people we employ. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">$8.50/hour is a joke by anybody's standards. Do you think $8.50 is reasonable for somebody who is expected to load 350 boxes per hour and never get misloads? Being a part time loader is not an easy job. Sweating profusely for 4 or 5 hours and waking up sore every morning is worth much more than $8.50. People who do similar amounts of physical labor at other jobs would laugh at $8.50. On January 1st minimum wage in Washington State will be $8.07. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Turnover is a huge problem and it's getting worse. At my hub we can't find or keep quality employees. People can, in fact, make a better wage, get benefits, and get tuition reimbursement at a certain hamburger restaurant (although it's a small local chain.) The only reason people end up working here at all is because we'll hire ANYbody; we are desperate, and it's obvious. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">By raising the starting wage to $11 or $12 I think most of the turnover problem would be solved. People would actually put in some effort, knowing that they will have to prove to us that they're worth keeping around.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">For those that want to work for us to get benefits, the prospect of having to wait a year until they kick in is discouraging to say the least. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">During a recent argument I was accused of being a union sympathizer. Not true (although I'm also not a union hater.) The reason I think this contract is garbage is that it's going to hurt the company. Turnover is going to become such a huge problem that we won't be able to staff our operations. There are PDs in my building where every employee is a cornerstone.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I was shocked about the brainwashing that goes on for the full time management employees (and to a lesser degree the part time sups.) Division managers have appeared in meetings 4 times in the past few weeks to sell the contract to us. Full time management people are either completely brainwashed or scared to death of saying anything contrary to what they're instructed to believe, because if the district manager catches wind of it they'll be gone in a heartbeat. And to let you in on what isn't really a secret, all the part time and most of the full time management people think this contract is garbage and that it's going to ruin the company.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Since we are all so well aware of how bad the contract is, I have a theory which could explain somewhat why upper management is so gung ho about it. (Other than because a strike will ruin us.) Loader assist is coming (hourlies won't have to check labels anymore, not that they do already anyway.) Misloads are the single most damaging thing to our reputation. Once loader assist is here, we'll throw any 2 bit employee into a trailer and tell them to just stack packages. There is no shortage of people who want to work for us. I think the plan is to just turn every operation into a revolving door. 9 out of 10 new hires are completely worthless and they will probably quit within a month or two. The one quality employee of the group will go on to be a driver or go into management. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">So anyway, that's my 2 cents. I hope to have provided some interesting insight from a frustrated management perspective, and I also hope to engage in some good discussion as I'm sure people will take issue with what I've said. Vote no on the contract if you haven't already.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="9c1, post: 265861, member: 12784"] [FONT=Arial]Hi, I was doing some research on the proposed contract today and stumbled across this website. I'm a management employee in the Pacific Northwest (I won't say which hub, for fear of being fired) and I think the contract is a huge step in the wrong direction (toward a cliff.)[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]My main argument is that it does little or nothing for the part time employees. As everybody knows, the company's foundation is the part time hourlies. They represent over two thirds of the total number of people we employ. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]$8.50/hour is a joke by anybody's standards. Do you think $8.50 is reasonable for somebody who is expected to load 350 boxes per hour and never get misloads? Being a part time loader is not an easy job. Sweating profusely for 4 or 5 hours and waking up sore every morning is worth much more than $8.50. People who do similar amounts of physical labor at other jobs would laugh at $8.50. On January 1st minimum wage in Washington State will be $8.07. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Turnover is a huge problem and it's getting worse. At my hub we can't find or keep quality employees. People can, in fact, make a better wage, get benefits, and get tuition reimbursement at a certain hamburger restaurant (although it's a small local chain.) The only reason people end up working here at all is because we'll hire ANYbody; we are desperate, and it's obvious. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]By raising the starting wage to $11 or $12 I think most of the turnover problem would be solved. People would actually put in some effort, knowing that they will have to prove to us that they're worth keeping around.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]For those that want to work for us to get benefits, the prospect of having to wait a year until they kick in is discouraging to say the least. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]During a recent argument I was accused of being a union sympathizer. Not true (although I'm also not a union hater.) The reason I think this contract is garbage is that it's going to hurt the company. Turnover is going to become such a huge problem that we won't be able to staff our operations. There are PDs in my building where every employee is a cornerstone.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]I was shocked about the brainwashing that goes on for the full time management employees (and to a lesser degree the part time sups.) Division managers have appeared in meetings 4 times in the past few weeks to sell the contract to us. Full time management people are either completely brainwashed or scared to death of saying anything contrary to what they're instructed to believe, because if the district manager catches wind of it they'll be gone in a heartbeat. And to let you in on what isn't really a secret, all the part time and most of the full time management people think this contract is garbage and that it's going to ruin the company.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]Since we are all so well aware of how bad the contract is, I have a theory which could explain somewhat why upper management is so gung ho about it. (Other than because a strike will ruin us.) Loader assist is coming (hourlies won't have to check labels anymore, not that they do already anyway.) Misloads are the single most damaging thing to our reputation. Once loader assist is here, we'll throw any 2 bit employee into a trailer and tell them to just stack packages. There is no shortage of people who want to work for us. I think the plan is to just turn every operation into a revolving door. 9 out of 10 new hires are completely worthless and they will probably quit within a month or two. The one quality employee of the group will go on to be a driver or go into management. [/FONT] [FONT=Arial]So anyway, that's my 2 cents. I hope to have provided some interesting insight from a frustrated management perspective, and I also hope to engage in some good discussion as I'm sure people will take issue with what I've said. Vote no on the contract if you haven't already.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Home
Forums
Brown Cafe UPS Forum
UPS Union Issues
Whats so Bad about this Contract?
Top