when is enough going to be enough?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by whydoestheunionhavenoball, Sep 23, 2010.

  1. At what point is the union going to stand up and say enough? How many members were walked off the property or fired from arbitration in the past 3 years? I bet the number would shock alot of people! what happend to everybody sticking together and the union drawing a line in the sand? I really cant believe how bad things have got.
     
  2. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    Are you involved in your local union?
     
  3. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    How involved ? I'm a steward and before I got involved or became a steward I thought I had a clue. Now that hind sight is 20/20 I now see that back then I had no clue about much.
     
  4. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    Sorry I want to also welcome you to the brown cafe whydoestheunionhavenoball.
     
  5. Dragon

    Dragon Package Center Manager

    What you guys are failing to understand is, its not that your Union is weak. Its that our cases against the employee are getting stronger and stronger. Proper documentation, follow - up, retraining, observations.

    Go out there and do your job as though a supervisor is riding with you everyday. If you have a question about something, by all means call your center team and ask.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2010
  6. Dragon

    Dragon Package Center Manager

    Ditto on that,

    Welcome to Brown Cafe.
     
  7. Sleeve_meet_Heart

    Sleeve_meet_Heart making the unreadable unreadabler

    If I hear this ruthless,fear-based line toed again ...honestly, do you actually use your brain when you say this crap....do you use this line everyday to all of your drivers, too? Idiotic rhetoric at it's finest.
    "WORK LIKE YOURE BEING FOLLOWED" Yes, brilliiant...BUT why can't people just do their jobs like THEY DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING HARRASSED, FOLLOWED, INTIMIDATED....
    Oh that's right, at UPS we instill FEAR....It's all about the fear factor....keep them scared, starving, aching, overloaded, overcrowed, and of course overworried...they'll perform at their best...
    Brilliant.
     
  8. Anonymous 10

    Anonymous 10 Guest

    +1 this man has hit the nail right on the head do the JOB and do it like your Division Manager is in the jumperseat. Methods set you free and help you sleep like a baby. If we all did this JOB by the METHODS we would be an ARMY instead of an army of one or two or three and then we would be a stronger union.
     
  9. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    Had a bad day, I guess. :sad-little:
     
  10. timebonustodd

    timebonustodd New Member

    punch in work hard work safe work smart punch out the diad will tell the truth
     
  11. unionslug

    unionslug New Member

    how many on your end? Here at my center we have had exactly 2 in the last 3 years that have actually held up at panel. Tons of warning letters, suspensions, and working terminations, but in the end only 2 gone for good. One was stealing (deserved it) and the other had multiple multiple accidents working against him.
     
  12. brownIEman

    brownIEman Active Member

    That is correct. It is proven time and again that employees perform at their best when there is a constant push for better, what you call harassment and intimidation. When that loosens up, the production slides. Every time.
     
  13. unionslug

    unionslug New Member

    and mgt wonders why no one cares. thank you for you input. Sales leads anyone?
     
  14. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    I turned in 3 this week.
    I would appreciate any you would send my way.
    Remember:
    Company name
    Contact name
    Full Company address
    Phone number
    And permission to call.

    Thanks in advance
     
  15. brownIEman

    brownIEman Active Member

    OK, I get why you would want to get snippy about my input. But have you ever stopped to wonder what would happen if the reverse were true? If production did NOT slide every time the push was lessened? Then, there really would be no PROFIT in keeping up with the push. And it would stop, as from a functional perspective, profit is what the company as an entity cares about.
     
  16. hurricanegunner

    hurricanegunner UPSPoop

    Finally someone tells the truth. Every member of management I've ever met says the employee's personal safety is the most important thing. I'm glad you had the integrity to speak(type) the truth.
     
  17. unionslug

    unionslug New Member

    cant deny anything youre saying. Just ensures that the "loyal" workforce is exactly the opposite. But who cares right? Profit is all that counts
     
  18. unionslug

    unionslug New Member

    Hoaxster, my sales leads wouldnt do you any good. I only get ones when I am threatened with discipline if I dont. And then you get one. A useless one, but you'll get one
     
  19. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt You can call me Chappy Staff Member

    A person who is in management is not the company.
    Your safety may very well be the most important thing in that management person's eyes because he/she is a person just like you.
    The company is a collection of shareholders that elect a Board of Directors that selects Upper Level Management who is responsible for running the company to optimize profits.
    If unsafe conditions jeopardizes the maximization of ROI then the company cares.
    The 'company' cares about safety when it jeopardizes its profits.
    That's just the nature of "companies" but not the nature of fellow humans ... well most anyway.